Not sure who needs to hear this, but this week I've had two no winners gun fights were both participants ended up dead from their injuries. Down isn't out and a mobility kill degrades fighting ability but doesn't zero it out. Proper use of cover still matters.
Grappling remains problematic for good guys winning gun fights.
Open carry remains a magnet for shit birds wanting a free gun. They aren't afraid of you or your gun.
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Originally Posted by BehindBlueI's
In general terms, I've had both.
Leading causes of losing a non-ambush gun fight (meaning there was some interaction between the participants prior to shots being fire) remain:
*not in ranked order*
1) presenting a non-functioning firearm
2) getting entangled
3) being outnumbered by offenders dedicated enough to remain in the fight
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Probably no way to know
I wonder how many events where a “good guy” engaged could have been avoided with reasonable effort? Meaning, maybe not walking down that (I am armed) street or keeping your mouth shut or reasonable situational awareness.
I’m hoping no one needs to hear this but there most likely are some who still do. Getting into any type of fight carries a non-zero risk of dying or getting seriously injured. That risk increases when people start deploying weapons. If you stop the other guy but have to live out the rest of your life as a quadriplegic or a vegetable, did you really win?
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I know three people who “won” gunfights, but still sucked up a handgun round in a non-body armored area. Two of them were left with life long disabilities that prompted a career change and seriously altered the course of their lives.
When five years post-incident you sell your guitar collection because you finally come to terms with the fact there is no more physical therapy that will help, it is no comfort that the guy who shot you in the hand with a .22 is dead.
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There's only one total win in the list of good guy outcomes: good guy wins gunfight, wins legal fight, and is uninjured. The rest of the possibles have one or more sucky outcomes for the good guy.
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Useful thread.
As I get older, I realize more and more the benefits of the "just walk away" concept. As in, when I get pissed off by the general stupidity of the human race, and my lizard brains starts to contemplate some kind of "action", would I really just rather walk away. Generally the answer is yes. This was not always the case when I was a young man.
I'd also really like to avoid a gunfight, if at all possible. I've never been in one, but it sounds like it sucks.
I would add a caveat that the time and fortune spent winning the legal fight is subtracted from the "total win" category. It is, however, acceptable when the alternative is death or serious bodily injury.
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