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Moderator edit: 1) No politics outside of members-only Politics subforum, 2) Insulting other members is uncalled for.
Last edited by Clusterfrack; 07-08-2023 at 10:13 AM.
Thank you, sir, for having educated us all, especially the guys who do this for a living. I definitely feel there are direct lines to be drawn between those people, their stance, and your conclusion that they are Biden voters. Thank you again for putting this key information together.
You've proven my points for me.Originally Posted by HJB
There's nothing civil about this war.
Real investigators, who care about protecting the rights of all people, actually gather evidence, and try to determine, if a crime has been committed, and if/when a crime has been comitted, actually following the evidence to determine who committed the crime. Fools and tyrants don't care about evidence and leap to conclusions about guilt or innocence. Which are you, or is it both?
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"Whom shall I send, and who will go for us?" Then I said, "Here I am. Send me." - Isaiah 6:8
I think P-F has just had its first Triple Facepalm post of 2023.
Bravo!
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Do we have a way to vote profoundly ignorant and clueless people off this island?
“Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat.”
― Theodore Roosevelt
A few things to consider:
- Your typical plainclothes Secret Service agent was hired out of college to be a Secret Service agent. Uniform Division seems to have a slightly higher percentage of prior LE in it. Even so, very few people employed by the Secret Service have extensive experience with narcotics. As best I know, none of their training to become an agent or to serve WH duty has identification of narcotics as a part of it.
- "white powder" when found inside a beat to shit 2004 Impala during a traffic stop is one thing. "White powder" found at a location that is as high profile as it gets for terrorist attacks, located in a city which has previously had lethal poisons mailed around is an entirely different phenomenon and causes an entirely different response.
- From a safety perspective, if you do not know what a substance is you do not assume it's harmless. Especially not in a facility like the WH. Whatever any individual thought it might be, they were duty bound to treat it as if it's a serious threat until it could be proven otherwise.
- It is highly likely there is a specific protocol in place for responding to a situation like this and that the on scene personnel followed that procedure to the letter because they have no choice in the matter. Their response is dictated by policy set at the highest levels and they do not have the ability to substitute their own judgment for required policy. To do so would mean being fired at a minimum if not actually prosecuted for something. Indeed, it is likely this exact adherence to procedure that is the reason why we even know about this at all, because I'm certain everyone involved would have much rather kept things quiet. But to do that means forgoing the procedure mandated by policy and would require somebody with enough juice to actually make that call to stick his/her ass completely on the line in writing, and doing shit like that ain't how you get juice in the first place.
- The US Federal Government has access to all sorts of neat toys including highly sensitive equipment that can sniff the air around an unknown substance and give you a readout on what that substance most likely is. Those pieces of equipment are highly specialized, require careful calibration and require most of all a skilled operator to be useful. You cannot simply hand one to a random UD guy and get a good result. So the specialists have to be called in. They might have some working at the WH at all times, or they might not. The equipment is expensive, but the people who are able to run it are vastly more expensive, in short supply, and in heavy demand all over the place.
- The WH is one of the most secure facilities in the world. It is owned 100% by the chief executive, according to the Constitution. Meaning POTUS makes the rules. The Constitution vests all executive authority in the office of the president. Every single person at that location who totes a badge and a gun does so as an extension of whomever is in that office. This means that when LBJ almost gets interrupted mid-coitus with one of his secretaries, he tells the USSS to install a warning system in the WH to tell him when Lady Bird leaves the residence and comes in his direction so he doesn't get caught banging one of his countless conquests inside the WH, the USSS does what they are told and installs the buzzers. When he insists on walking around naked so he can show everybody "Jumbo", they aren't stopping him. The first lady isn't getting frisked to get into the working areas of the WH. The president's children and grandchildren aren't getting searched. It's highly unlikely senior members of the administration like the chief of staff or various department secretaries (meaning Secretary of State, Defense, the Attorney General, etc) are getting their bags scanned for bombs and chem/bio threats. The president can decide who gets subjected to security screening and who doesn't.
- It is highly likely the USSS knows far more about the incident in question than is public. But maintaining their ability to serve the protective function they are charged with requires striking a balance between being a federal agent and being a bodyguard. This means that at times the agents responsible for running the WH have to tell Hillary Clinton that throwing things at federal agents is completely unacceptable behavior and if she does it again there will be immediate and unavoidable consequences even if she is FLOTUS. It also means at times they install buzzers so the sex addict currently in the office has warning that his wife is coming. I don't expect them to be chatty about this incident. I also don't expect them to lie if they're put under oath.
The fact that the guy in the office is a corrupt shitbag doesn't change the fact that they answer to him. The solution to that problems is impeachment and removal. Short of that, they have to live with whatever ends up in that office.
3/15/2016
So, you think the secret service did not know every single person who entered that area and could not figure out who brought in
the coke? I mean really? If that is the case they are either incompetent or criminal and either way should be fired.
I can understand his frustration. I think he's just confusing professionalism and following procedure with their doing so indicating one's buying into a particular narrative. (As a former Navy man, he should understand that following the chain of command doesn't necessarily mean agreeing with the order. And unless an order is unlawful, then one can argue its merits after the fact.)
Also, it is not up to the investigators to disclose their findings to the public, nor their suspicions, nor their personal beliefs or politics. (That remains the same whether they are Biden supporters or the complete opposite.)
When we start conducting investigations as partisans...we end up with exactly the sort of mess we've seen televised as an ongoing national drama on TV for the past several years and couple of presidential elections. It benefits no one to have our justice department and law enforcement agencies politicized. (It's already gone too far down that rabbit hole, imho.)
There's nothing civil about this war.
Yes. When someone is peeing in the pool you can hit the "report post" button to alert the ShitMods.
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