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    Long Term Damage from AIWB?

    I got to chat with @Jeff Gonzales, former SEAL and head honcho of Trident Concepts, at the NRA convention. He'd once penned a blog post about developing the kung-fu grip in relation to running the Glock 26 and other pistols with short grips. Like so many things, it might not necessarily have been new info, but it was presented the right way for me to grok it. The blog post doesn't seem to be available anymore, but that's really not the point of my post.

    I'd mentioned that a medical condition had forced me to give up AIWB and return to 3:30 IWB and thusly, my dedication to the 26.5 as my one gun for all seasons edc and my sincere appreciation for his article. Jeff asked me if I'd expand on my medical condition, was it a specific injury, surgery, something else?

    I said I'd gone from decades of a working in a world where I could stand or sit at pretty much my convenience and comfort to a job where I was chained to a seated desk at nearly all times and a G19 in a kydex rig started to hurt. Then it hurt even more so I downgraded to a j-frame...that still hurt. More pain and eventually visible swelling ensued to the point I had to visit a specialist for a possible hernia that none of her high tech equipment could detect. Thusly, my now inevitable return to IWB.

    Jeff said he'd been studying on this very subject, including lots of conversations with medical professionals, which led him to conclude that this is a largely un-diagnosed issue with AIWB, at least for some people. A doctor's office or hospital is not usually the type of environment where people of a certain ilk, like me, are not comfortable relating that they believe their underlying issue is the how/where of the gun they carry all day every day.

    He went on to explain that it's not so much the size of the pistol or the composite of the holster, it's the continual pressure on a sensitive area until the tissue under the pressure starts to break down. The result is that it will take more and more time for the tissue to heal enough to carry AIWB again, and the window where it's still comfortable will grow shorter and shorter. He said he even knew of women in the ccw life that had experienced trouble conceiving who found upon further medical investigation that they had damage to their ovary that lived beneath their edc rig.

    To be clear, he did not say AIWB was bad or should be avoided entirely. He did say that if AIWB was causing you pain, it's possible that you're one of the unlucky ones and that continued AIWB could lead to an actual hernia.

    In my case, I carried AIWB for over a decade before it turned painful. I went two years without AIWB at all and then found my lil' .22 LCR was quite comfy tucked in my jeans around the house of an evening. I did AIWB a few times with a G19 or G26, gradually increasing the time. A few weeks back, I started carrying my 26.5 IWB for my 40mi commute and swapping to AIWB at my relatively new stand up/sit down desk. After 3 weeks, it hurt so bad I had to give it up again.

    Anyway, I thought Jeff's information was interesting enough to share.

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    @Gun Mutt, am I correct in understanding that there was no hernia found and the problem was a repetitive soft tissue damage?
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    Interesting… I’ve largely settled on AIWB as being the most comfortable and concealable carry for me, and have done so for at least a decade, if not more. I do have the occasional inguinal pain, but this is not surprising since I actually had hernia repair surgery last year… I’m not willing to blame it on AIWB carry, since a disturbing number of coworkers in my career field have also had to have the same surgery.

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    This sort of thing, as well as risk as lower back pain from belt tension, is a reason I don't feel bad about not carrying at home 12 hours a day, instead only when I leave the house. *Obviously*, if anything ever were to happen, the best place to have a gun is on your person, but carrying 12+ hours a day 7 days a week has to have long term physical ramifications. Instead I have guns in quickly accessible safes on every floor.

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    Very interesting. I've always wondered about this very topic. I was an AIWB convert many years ago. I just had hernia surgery this past January after developing a right inguinal hernia about 6 years ago. I have often wondered if AIWB played a part. I wonder if having hernia mesh repair under the area where my AIWB holster rides would help tissue from degrading. I've pretty much relegated my carry to strong side IWB anyway but pine for AIWB.
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    Really interesting topic. I don't have any abdominal pain from AIWB but I definitely get some low back pain if I carry AIWB for a long time (G19 with light and dot in JMCK, FWIW).

    To minimize my back pain, I take off the G19 when I'm home, and switch to J frame in my pocket.

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    I don't carry at home. I have reinforced locks on the doors and two dogs. Carbine is my go to at home, set next to my bed and access to a pistol on the other side of the house in a quick access safe.

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    The main point of interest for me in this thread, is the hidebound adherence to a mode of carry that seems to be causing physical degradation, and the near pathological resistance to giving it up. I've carried a gun for over thirty years, in nearly every position and mode as the situation required. Whether those requirements were situational, physical, etc. I've never experienced a knashing of teeth, or clutching of pearls over any of it.

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