Buffalo Bore .25ACP 60gr Hardcast Gel Test

[358156hp]

For some reason, I'm intrigued.

I hope it's just the whiskey...

[Shawn Dodson]

Unfortunately, terminal performance data obtained in Clear Gelatin is untrustworthy and should be ignored. Test results vary unpredictably from block to block.

A paper (Ballistic Gelatin Comparisons) published on the Hornady Law Enforcement website reports:

Given that these blocks failed FBI standards for calibration each time, it’s unsurprising that the
bullets we fired into them penetrated more deeply than they did in 10% calibrated gelatin.
However, the amount of that extra penetration was a little surprising. We were not prepared for
bullets to penetrate an average of more than 6” deeper into the clear synthetic gelatin than the
organic gelatin, in the heavy clothing test, for example.

Conclusions:

The clear synthetic gelatin currently does not appear to be a suitable substitute for
FBI-standard, 10% calibrated organic gelatin if the bullets will be measured and
evaluated according to FBI performance standards. Because the bullets we tested
behaved so differently in the clear synthetic gelatin versus the 10% calibrated organic
gelatin, it’s not appropriate to use the FBI standards ‒ which were designed to be applied
to 10% calibrated organic gelatin – to measure bullet performance in the clear synthetic
product...

...There is no apparent “conversion” between data derived from 10% organic gelatin
and the current version of the clear synthetic. Unfortunately, our limited test doesn’t
indicate a conversion “shortcut” is likely. It would be convenient if we could develop a
conversion factor that would equate the organic gelatin and clear synthetic gelatin, but
our data indicate that bullet performance is too variable in these mediums to develop a
universal “rule of thumb.”

[the Schwartz]

Unfortunately, terminal performance data obtained in Clear Gelatin is untrustworthy and should be ignored. Test results vary unpredictably from block to block.

A paper (Ballistic Gelatin Comparisons) published on the Hornady Law Enforcement website reports:

Given that these blocks failed FBI standards for calibration each time, it’s unsurprising that the
bullets we fired into them penetrated more deeply than they did in 10% calibrated gelatin.
However, the amount of that extra penetration was a little surprising. We were not prepared for
bullets to penetrate an average of more than 6” deeper into the clear synthetic gelatin than the
organic gelatin, in the heavy clothing test, for example.

Conclusions:

The clear synthetic gelatin currently does not appear to be a suitable substitute for
FBI-standard, 10% calibrated organic gelatin if the bullets will be measured and
evaluated according to FBI performance standards. Because the bullets we tested
behaved so differently in the clear synthetic gelatin versus the 10% calibrated organic
gelatin, it’s not appropriate to use the FBI standards ‒ which were designed to be applied
to 10% calibrated organic gelatin – to measure bullet performance in the clear synthetic
product...

...There is no apparent “conversion” between data derived from 10% organic gelatin
and the current version of the clear synthetic. Unfortunately, our limited test doesn’t
indicate a conversion “shortcut” is likely. It would be convenient if we could develop a
conversion factor that would equate the organic gelatin and clear synthetic gelatin, but
our data indicate that bullet performance is too variable in these mediums to develop a
universal “rule of thumb.”

Mike Wood did such a great job with that series, proving that theory and practice were in agreement.

[Malamute]

A modernized DAO Velo Dog revolver with folding trigger would probably be surprisingly popular. Stretch the cylinder & case to .22mag length, and you might have something.

I recall reading of someone that made a 25 cal centerfire pistol round for small game hunting using a single action Ruger and the 22 hornet case blown out straight and trimmed somewhat. I dont recall the performance details but I believe it was in the useful and practical category as compared to 25 auto ballistics performance. A similar round on a J or K frame Smith might be fun.


Edit: This http://www.lasc.us/Fryxell25Hornet.htm

[358156hp]

I recall reading of someone that made a 25 cal centerfire pistol round for small game hunting using a single action Ruger and the 22 hornet case blown out straight and trimmed somewhat. I dont recall the performance details but I believe it was in the useful and practical category as compared to 25 auto ballistics performance. A similar round on a J or K frame Smith might be fun.


Edit: This http://www.lasc.us/Fryxell25Hornet.htm

Or the .257 Jack Rabbit, a shortened 25/20: https://img1.wsimg.com/blobby/go/57f...=1612644498820

[Wayne Dobbs]

Why oh why are we treading the path that has failed miserably for years?

[Hambo]

Why oh why are we treading the path that has failed miserably for years?

The power of advertising.

[camsdaddy]

I guess I now know how the .45 only guys feel about 9mm. One I can’t imagine that Buffalo Bore will sell enough to justify the research. Anyone buying a Jennings in 25 is probably not going to buy a $50 box of bullets. At this point in my life I can’t imagine anything that would convince me to carry a 25 considering how anemic it’s been up until now. I think I would take my chance with a 22 or a 32 and may even just rely on POM.

[FrankB]

My wife went to some kind of gala event in Philadelphia back in 2016(???). She was carrying a hand clutch, and the only pistol that fit in there are my Beretta 950 Jetfire. She sat with the mayor, and some of the conversation was about gun “control”. 🤣💥

[feudist]

My wife went to some kind of gala event in Philadelphia back in 2016(???). She was carrying a hand clutch, and the only pistol that fit in there are my Beretta 950 Jetfire. She sat with the mayor, and some of the conversation was about gun “control”. 🤣💥

I'm sure the sellswords that surround him would have protected him(with their guns) from that pistol had its thirst for innocent souls awakened.