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    Quote Originally Posted by WDR View Post
    I used an extinguisher a couple years ago to put out a fire caused by a chemical oxidizer that leaked from a barrel on onto a wooden pallet. There were propane tanks and gasoline cans nearby. The person who was closest to the fire when it started panicked, and ran out of the building without shouting or warning me or anyone else. After we moved it outside, it reignited and we had to hit it again. I agree that bigger is better.

    I pay a bit more attention to where extinguishers are located now.
    The coworker needed a sock party for that.
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    Thanks for the reminder- I went and located the nearest one to my office.

    ETA: it was in a really poor location, so I moved it.
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    Are Mexican mattresses subjected to the same flammability standards as US mattresses?

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    Your perennial reminder here:

    Situational awareness is not just sitting with your back to the wall...it means knowing where the fire exits, fire extinguishers and AEDs are located too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0ddl0t View Post
    Are Mexican mattresses subjected to the same flammability standards as US mattresses?
    No idea but jails / detention centers in the US use special non flammable mattresses.
    Last edited by HCM; 03-30-2023 at 10:09 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HCM View Post
    No idea but jails / detention centers in the US use special non flammable mattresses.
    Non flammable? Or flame resistant? Because there is a big difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JCS View Post
    Non flammable? Or flame resistant? Because there is a big difference.
    Yes. For jails - non flammable. If you dealt with inmates much, it’s actually not even a question if it can burn, they’ll set it on fire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HCM View Post
    Yes. For jails - non flammable. If you dealt with inmates much, it’s actually not even a question if it can burn, they’ll set it on fire.
    Good to know. I figured as much but was curious.

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    My wife used to work for a really smart company. There were several 100 people in the corp headquarters where she worked and they trained every one of them how to use a fire extinguisher. Did it in batches of 20 or so w/ a small but real fire. She didn't know how they did that but said it was definitely real. She told me that when I mentioned a radio personality who had to move out of his house for 6 months for fire damage to be repaired. Fire started in the kitchen and it turned out his wife had no clue how to operate the extinguisher that was available.

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    https://www.ksat.com/news/world/2023...in-fatal-fire/

    Mexican immigration agency chief to be charged in fatal fire


    MEXICO CITY – Mexico’s top immigration official will face criminal charges in a fire that killed 40 migrants in Ciudad Juarez last month, with federal prosecutors saying he was remiss in not preventing the disaster despite earlier indications of problems at his agency's detention centers.

    The decision to file charges against Francisco Garduño, the head of Mexico’s National Immigration Institute, was announced late Tuesday by the federal Attorney General's Office.

    It followed repeated calls from within Mexico, and from some Central American nations, not to stop the case at the five low-level officials, guards and a Venezuelan migrant already facing homicide charges in the case.
    Anger initially focused on two guards who were seen fleeing the March 27 fire, without unlocking the cell door to allow the migrants to escape. But President Andrés Manuel López Obrador said earlier Tuesday that they didn’t have the keys.


    The Attorney General’s Office said several other officers of Garduño's agency will also face charges for failing to carry out their duties, the statement said, but prosecutors did not explain what specific charges or identify the officials.
    Prosecutors said the case showed a “pattern of irresponsibility"
    The press office of the immigration agency that Garduño heads did respond to messages and phone calls requesting comment.

    Prosecutors said that after a fire at another detention center in the Gulf coast state of Tabasco killed one person and injured 14 in 2020, the immigration agency knew there were problems which needed to be corrected. but alleged they failed to act.

    There have long been complaints about corruption and bad conditions at Mexico’s migrant detention facilities, but they have never been seriously addressed.

    López Obrador’s comments about the guards in last month’s fire in the border city of Ciudad Juarez came on the same day that the bodies of 17 Guatemala migrants and six Hondurans killed in the fire were flown back to their home countries.

    It was unclear what effect López Obrador’s comments might have on the trial of the guards, who were detained previously over the fire.

    “The door was closed, because the person who had the keys wasn’t there,” López Obrador said.

    A video from a security camera inside the facility shows guards walking away when the fire started in late March inside the cell holding migrants.

    The guards are seen hurrying away as smoke fills the facility, and they did not appear to make any effort to release the migrants.

    Three Mexican immigration officials, a guard and a Venezuelan migrant are being held for investigation in connection with the fire. They face homicide charges.
    The migrant allegedly set fire to foam mattresses at the detention center to protest what he apparently thought were plans to move or deport the migrants.

    In Guatemala City, relatives of the victims gathered at an air force base with flowers and photos of the deceased to mark their return.

    “My son, my love,” a female voice could be heard calling out, amid sobs from those present as the coffins were unloaded and placed in a line, and relatives were allowed to approach them.

    Mexican military planes carried the bodies six migrants to Honduras and 17 to Guatemala. Authorities say 19 of the 40 dead were from Guatemala, but two bodies were still in the process of having their identities confirmed.
    An additional 11 Guatemalans were injured in the fire.


    Guatemalan Foreign Minister Mario Búcaro accompanied the bodies, which were to be taken overland to their hometowns in nine different provinces.

    Some bodies of Salvadoran migrants were returned to El Salvador last week. So far, 31 bodies have been sent back to their home countries.

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