Could the M14 rifle's status as the shortest-serving standard issue rifle in the history of the United States military be in jeopardy?
Could the M14 rifle's status as the shortest-serving standard issue rifle in the history of the United States military be in jeopardy?
Seriously.. guys I served with are now using the IAR with vcogs and knights suppressors. They seem pretty happy with them.Originally Posted by JohnO
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The proliferation of both cheaper ISR platforms and precision strike munitions like FPV drones makes a general issue rifle designed to outrange belt fed MMGs even more obsolete than it was when the program started.
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It will be interesting to see how the new sec def and his staff deal with this program. I have always wondered if we did not have so much invested in the current platforms that it would be hard to make a really solid case for this new rifle/cartridge based on what we see happening in the real world (meaning Ukraine) now. I have to reject that the war in Afghanistan (if that is where part of this came from) should be the solid template for future fights.
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It's certainly a consideration. What's going on in Ukraine and the whole "Great Power Competition" pushed the Army to cancel FARA. I don't know if the XM7/XM250 get the ax, but I wouldn't be betting on service wide adoption.
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Henry from 9hole reviews (who was an Army Ordnance officer) seemed to think it was more likely to end up as maybe a DMR and Machine Gun rather than the general issue rifle. That’s something that makes more sense to me than giving everybody a battle rifle again, in 2025.
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That's been my thought on it as well.
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I’m just not sure how that is supposed to work in 277 Fury.
When pushed by 80K PSI you get a 3200-3300 fps from a 16” barrel (3000-3100 from 13”) that seems to hold about 3 MOA - at best. If we take some of the legs off that and slow things down to 2750-2900 (standard case) from a 16” barrel the groups tighten up down to 1.5-3 MOA with match ammo. Of course, that assumes that the civilian and military rifles produce roughly equivalent accuracy in 277 Fury…keep in mind the soldiers are already complaining about the accuracy.
There are plenty of 308 semi autos that can beat that accuracy and come within 20% of the 277 Fury external ballistics at the lower pressure / standard case velocity. A 308 wouldn’t require the logistics nightmare a unique rifle and cartridge.
I like my rifles like my women - short, light, fast, brown, and suppressed.
What's your take on M2010 and its incompatible ammunition? The numbers in the inventory are too low to create logistics and supply issues?
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