The magazines I’ve been testing both have the orange 2183-2 follower.Originally Posted by Wooosh
The magazines I’ve been testing both have the orange 2183-2 follower.
I don't know when Glock made these changes, but they did update their 10 round mags, at least the ones for the 19. The new magazines are marked 2274-02 on the rear of the body. The new magazine bodies are longer, closer to the same length of the standard 15 round magazine. These new mags also fit 19s with a magwell, unlike the older ones.
I haven't had any trouble with them, but if you do, you can drop in a 9mm7 follower and they work without modification. You used to have to file either the follower or mag body for them to fit.
That’s awesome info- I have a few 15 round Gen5 mags with the 9mm7 follower… I’ll try them out!
I wonder if the new 10rd Gen5 magazine, coupled with the 19.5 (and its more robust recoil spring/assembly) has something to do with the improved feeding and reliability…
Shot a complete match with the current production Gen5 10 round magazines; 3 stages with my Gen 3 G17 with the Gen 5 magazines with orange 2183 2 followers, and 3 stages with my Gen 3 G19 with Gen5 G19 10 round magazines also with the 2183 2 orange followers, and with Federal Premium Law Enforcement 147 gr HST cartridges.
Absolutely zero issues. Loading, cycling, firing, extraction, ejection, reloads were accomplished with zero hiccups.
While not a high round count match, in my experience with earlier Glock 10 round magazines, problems will crop up early and repeatedly.
At this point, although I'll continue testing, I'm comfortable in personally carrying my G19 and G17 with these Gen5 magazines. The G19 magazines have a spine code of 2274-02, the G17 magazines have no code numbers on the magazine spine, but an contemporary current production Gen 3/4 magazine (which I also tested a magazine worth in during the match, with zero problems) has a spine code of 2267-01, and has the previous black continuously angled chute follower marked "9mm3"
I think the safe default from this point for 10 round G17 and particularly for G19 10 round magazines will be to go the Gen5 route. It may be moot; a source in Glock thinks that all current production G17 and G19 10 round magazines are coming with the orange 2183 2 follower.
I've seen speculation that the tubes of the Gen5 magazines may be different from previous production, but other than the magazine catch insert notches I'm not seeing anything particularly different; the length, liners and feed lips all appear to be the same.
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Another data point, with a little additional information.
Like many others I've found older versions of Glock 9mm 10-round magazines to be less than reliable with JHP. As a result I've carried only the G26 in California. After finding this thread on a search, I tested two of the Gen 5 orange follower 10-round magazines for a G17. My motivation is the recent availability of the Gen 3 MOS spare slides, which has me revisiting Glocks.
The test pistol is a blue label G34 gen 3, all stock except for grip tape. This one was acquired about a year ago and intended for range use, but not shot much so far; only 100 rounds total before today. It wasn't the greatest range day, a storm is just coming in and it was about 50F and steady light rain but it looks wetter tomorrow so decided to put the time in today. The range is about 12 miles in from the coast and at an elevation of about 950 feet, just enough to drop some extra moisture from the clouds.
The magazines arrived yesterday and were loaded full for 24 hours. Ammo was mostly standard pressure 9mm 147gr HST, and some 124gr +p Gold Dots, about 100 rounds total. I had just a few 135gr Critical Duty, about 7 rounds, so ran those through also.
All were 100 percent reliable, no stoppages of any kind. That's promising enough that I'm going to go ahead and order a G17 MOS slide, mount my spare EPS on it, and then do some additional testing in that configuration.
Some California specific info: This G34 came with three 10-round magazines which appear to be externally almost identical to the two I just ordered, except that they have black followers instead of orange. Both new and old are labeled 2267-01 on the back of the magazine body, and the followers are both 2183-2. The only visible difference is the baseplate, the one year old California black follower mags have the old style flat baseplates, while the newer orange follower mags have the distinctive Gen 5 baseplates which project a little farther forward and are more rounded on the front edge underside as opposed to the older squared off baseplates. I have not yet disassembled to look for internal differences, if any. I ran mostly reloads through the old magazines today, mostly 135gr truncated cone Blue Bullets and a few reloads with 115gr XTP JHP, no issues. I didn't waste any duty ammo on them because they will be my practice mags, easy to distinguish by follower color. For some reason I'm seeing only the black follower versions available retail here and had to order online from a national/out of state supplier to get the orange follower version. No idea why that is.
I just ordered a factory two-tone FDE G19 Gen 5 Lipsey's Exclusive (factory FDE frame, standard black slide). It comes with 10 round Gen 5 mags since that was the only one available. I planned on just throwing away the 10 round mags due to the previous long-standing poor track record of the 10 round G19 mags, as I have plenty of 15 round mags. Maybe I should reconsider?
Part of why I bought a G26 was to have a reliable 10 round 9mm Glock for travel to ban states using the standard magazines it was designed for. Down the road I had always planned to get a G19 to chop the grip to G26 length to use it's mags, but having a G19-length grip with reliable 10 round G19 mags would be quite nice.
Unfortunately, I hate to agree with Bucky, but I see a 10 round limit becoming the law of the land on a federal level within my lifetime as well. Hopefully that will never happen, but I like to hedge my bets, just in case.
Keep them. 10 round mags are great range and training mags. If you ever want to hit up a GSSF match in a ban state they are great to have.
I don’t really believe in “training only” mags. I don’t want any decreased reliability caused by the mags to introduce doubt in the gun’s reliability and I prefer minimizing the magazine as a variable in any potential stoppages, especially when a new gun is in the reliability vetting process (first 1k rounds minimum). I also don’t want to risk potentially less reliable training mags getting mixed in or mistakenly grabbed in a rush with “serious use” mags.
That said, maybe I’ll stash these and try them out later in a G19 that is dedicated to training only, like a PD trade in, to vet these mags. I don’t like to experiment with variables that may affect reliability in pistols I might carry. Is that OCD and ridiculous? Oh yes. But it helps me sleep at night.
It’s a good procedure to utilize; having a stash of training magazines that you use and abuse, apart from your duty/carry magazines. They should be properly marked as a training magazine, as to alert the shooter of their training-only status. This is why most, if not all professional shooters utilize training mags is that the constant loading/unloading fatigues the springs…the constant dropping and impact onto hard surfaces while reloading can cause damage… damage that you probably don’t want to expose your carry-only magazines.
I put orange and blue factory baseplates on my G17 and G19 range mags respectively. Makes it super easy to identify at a glance. If I were starting over, I'd probably buy tan G17 mags for dedicated range use for all my G17s and G19s. Having options is nice.
Getting back to the ten round mags, it'd be better to give them away in a karma thread than to trash them.
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