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  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by Jaywalker View Post
    Finally, I definitely hadn't realized that flow through-type suppressors were quieter at the ear than at the traditionally-measured point one meter to the left of the muzzle. I should have mentioned that while I generally shoot alone and therefore my ears are my main consideration, I can also see using this rifle for home defense, so multiple inside walls might still rule out the flow through type. That will take some more thought. Price is still a consideration, but minor.

    Thanks.
    Indoors it wonít matter much what you choose so donít let the home defense possibility rule out some otherwise solid cans. Theyíre all essentially the same, sound wise, when youíre lighting off supersonic 5.56 inside a room. By theyíre all the same, I mean theyíre all going to be loud as hell. Itíll obviously be quieter than an unsuppressed rifle. Mostly youíll be cutting dB levels down to below the ďthis causes me physical painĒ level. The new hotness thatís already been mentioned here seems to be the HUXWRX Flow 5.56k flow through thatís already been mentioned. They were just awarded the FBI SWAT or HRT contract (I donít remember if it was one or the other or both). Thatís primarily an indoor mission.

  2. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by rob_s View Post
    three thoughts spring to mindÖ
    1. Be prepared to be disappointed. Unless youíve spent a fair amount of time testing and shooting suppressors, youíre likely going to be disappointed with just about anything you choose. Exceptions might be 300wtf and/or .22 shooting subsonics. Even I have to admit that both of those are giggle-worthy (particularly the former).
    2. donít get too caught up by new hotness. By the time you get your can, itíll be old busted. You can try your best to buy todays new hotness, but u less something has changed with paperwork wait times, by the time you have your can at home, something new will be out. To a big deal, but maybe alleviates any desire to try and buy todayís new hotness. Later on, it wonít be.
    3. Multitaskers are best. Unless you actually have a very specific (often professional) use case*, and given 1 and 2 above, youíre better off getting something thatíll work on multiple guns/calibers. IMO thatís a short (6-7in max), light (10-12oz max), .30 can that has mounts available to go between .223, 7.62 (x39 and x54), and 9mm. 9mm is maybe debatable, but why not. And I donít mean 9mm handguns. IMO center fire handguns deserve their own can. Personally I want a mix of brake and hider mounts in both 7.62 and 5.56 and various thread patterns to work on AR, AK, etc.



    *personal example of a specific use case. I have a 9mm SBR AR. Iíve had it for years. I use it at home for pest control with the can and subsonics, and I use it (infrequently, granted, with it was more) for PCC matches. So I have a 9mm can that has a qd flash hider mount. I can easily remove it for matches then come home and put the can back on for Ďcoons. One thing Iíd do different now is install a brake mount instead of the hider but Iím not burning down any scoresheets regardless so it really doesnít bother me.

    I donít use the can on handguns, I donít want ďmodularĒ, I just want something that goes easy on/off on a gun that serves dual purpose. Thatís it. And even if/when I get a .30 multitasker, and even if it can also do 9mm, that future can will probably never go on this gun. The current setup works too well.
    Thanks. I appreciate the advice to be prepared for disappointment and avoiding the new hotness. I'm not sure about multi-taskers, but you might well be right. Right now I'm leaning towards a 7.62 can when I don't have a 7.62, both for possible future use and also because it might lessen back-pressure gas.

  3. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by WobblyPossum View Post
    Indoors it wonít matter much what you choose so donít let the home defense possibility rule out some otherwise solid cans. Theyíre all essentially the same, sound wise, when youíre lighting off supersonic 5.56 inside a room. By theyíre all the same, I mean theyíre all going to be loud as hell. Itíll obviously be quieter than an unsuppressed rifle. Mostly youíll be cutting dB levels down to below the ďthis causes me physical painĒ level. The new hotness thatís already been mentioned here seems to be the HUXWRX Flow 5.56k flow through thatís already been mentioned. They were just awarded the FBI SWAT or HRT contract (I donít remember if it was one or the other or both). Thatís primarily an indoor mission.
    I didn't know about the contract, but it's the most expensive one I'm considering.

  4. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by Jaywalker View Post
    I didn't know about the contract, but it's the most expensive one I'm considering.
    It was with HRT: https://huxwrx.com/fbi-awards-huxwrx...essor-contract

    Ignore them saying that the FLOW 556k is only available to military/LE, that's since changed. I'll also note that HUXWRX has a pro deal that you can access through ExpertVoice, and that as a veteran you qualify, I recall the discount being fairly generous. Finally, the biggest strike against the FLOW 556k by my book is that it has a much shorter stated service life than some of its competitors:

    10,000 rounds threshold with objective 20,000 rounds. Detailed cleaning will help ensure product performance and service life are not compromised - HUXWRX

    Source: https://huxwrx.com/content/white-pap...hite-Paper.pdf

    I don't doubt that it'll likely reach 20k rounds without much issue with your statement of just casual shooting, and suppressor life is definitely extremely variable depending on firing schedule; think of it like barrel life on an AR, where the same barrel can be burned out in a thousand rounds or two if you're going full auto, while if you're doing slow fire you could easily reach into the tens of thousands without issue. Still, when you have SureFire literally claiming that their cans have unknown service life due to the fact that they have cans with round counts in the 100k with minimal degradation of performance, it might give you pause that the HUXWRX cans have such a low number attached to them.

    Just something to think about, as by all accounts, the FLOW 556k performs excellently in all other aspects, with its excellent acoustic suppression, minimal backpressure, and low size and weight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaywalker View Post
    Thanks. I appreciate the advice to be prepared for disappointment and avoiding the new hotness. I'm not sure about multi-taskers, but you might well be right. Right now I'm leaning towards a 7.62 can when I don't have a 7.62, both for possible future use and also because it might lessen back-pressure gas.
    what cans have you experienced firsthand so far?

    This chart is outdates and (should go without saying) skewed towards my wants/needs/interests but might give you some good data points.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

    this guy was high on my list after compiling all of that
    https://thunderbeastarms.com/products/ultra-7
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    Reading this with great intensity as Iím also doing my first NFA/suppressor purchase. Primarily for .300BO and 5.56, but it would be nice to have the capability to put it on .308 and .300WM too.

    A whole different world that I have zero experience in. Nobody I shoot with does either.
    Working diligently to enlarge my group size.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rob_s View Post
    ...this guy was high on my list after compiling all of that
    https://thunderbeastarms.com/products/ultra-7
    I have fallen for the New Hotness and been disappointed, as have several friends.

    No one I know, including me, has been disappointed by TBAC suppressors. My Ultra 7 6.5 is an excellent can.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaywalker View Post
    I'm modifying my requirements from a can that will cover 5.56. 300 Blk, and 9mm, down to 5.56 only.
    For a dedicated 5.56 can, I like "k" size and weight cans. Even full size cans on 5.56 guns are still loud, so I'm not super concerned with the sound tradeoff. I'm a big fan of the YHM Turbo K. They showed and even shorter model that is wider at SHOT this year.

    My next 5.56 can will likely be the Otter Creek Polonium K. I think the Flow 556k and the CGS Sci Six are really interesting cans too, but I have some concerns with warranty issues on a printed can that doesn't use the Energetic serial ring.

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    Iíve found the initial learning curve for sound suppression is very steep.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HeavyDuty View Post
    Iíve found the initial learning curve for sound suppression is very steep.
    This is an understatement.

    Iíve waited a LONG time to get to the point being able to purchase anything NFA. Itís daunting.
    Working diligently to enlarge my group size.

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