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    Now may or may not be the time to comment that I was *totally* wasted when I took my driver’s license test. Aced it, too; better score than any of my friends. True story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Totem Polar View Post
    Now may or may not be the time to comment that I was *totally* wasted when I took my driver’s license test. Aced it, too; better score than any of my friends. True story.

    70's? The Past is a different country. They do things differently there. LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by JHC View Post
    70's? The Past is a different country. They do things differently there. LOL
    80s, but the place I lived was quasi-rural, and locked in the 70s. I essentially grew up in a 3 dimensional Aerosmith video.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Totem Polar View Post
    80s, but the place I lived was quasi-rural, and locked in the 70s. I essentially grew up in a 3 dimensional Aerosmith video.
    Found a charming article to post on this thread and figured I'd use a Reply to highlight that hilarious description.

    I think the author is serious while maybe partly tongue in cheek. My only quibble is around the margaritas. I find them to be undrinkable period, full stop. Not much I don't like but those are among them, while I do enjoy sipping tequila.

    https://www.thebulwark.com/how-to-sa...ve-easy-steps/

    How to Save American Drinking in Five Easy Steps
    By tightening some restrictions, loosening others, and rejiggering alcohol’s place in common life, we could better foster a culture of safe enjoyment.

    "As we enter the part of the year known as the Mark Wahlberg 40-Day Challenge, it is perhaps worth taking stock of our overall relationship with alcohol—why we drink, how we drink, and its relation to our happiness and virtue. On an individual level, this is an accounting that everyone must do for themselves. But on a cultural level, I believe there are five changes that could make American drinking more humane, more elegant, more fun: more worthy of such a potent engine of both delight and danger."
    “Remember, being healthy is basically just dying as slowly as possible,” Ricky Gervais

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    Quote Originally Posted by JHC View Post
    Found a charming article to post on this thread and figured I'd use a Reply to highlight that hilarious description.

    I think the author is serious while maybe partly tongue in cheek. My only quibble is around the margaritas. I find them to be undrinkable period, full stop. Not much I don't like but those are among them, while I do enjoy sipping tequila.

    https://www.thebulwark.com/how-to-sa...ve-easy-steps/

    How to Save American Drinking in Five Easy Steps
    By tightening some restrictions, loosening others, and rejiggering alcohol’s place in common life, we could better foster a culture of safe enjoyment.

    "As we enter the part of the year known as the Mark Wahlberg 40-Day Challenge, it is perhaps worth taking stock of our overall relationship with alcohol—why we drink, how we drink, and its relation to our happiness and virtue. On an individual level, this is an accounting that everyone must do for themselves. But on a cultural level, I believe there are five changes that could make American drinking more humane, more elegant, more fun: more worthy of such a potent engine of both delight and danger."
    That article, for the win. Great writing, too.
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    Narco-posting here for a cathartic cleanse.

    I started following this guys YT channel and was impressed and shared some vids with my wife who then bought his book "Outlive". Recently we spent about 25 hours on a long road trip and during most of that we listened to the audiobook version.

    It was easy listening and we're interested in nutrition and exercise and so that was mostly fun.

    Basically, long story short he's built up a lot of credibility with me for a variety of reasons especially because of how many other sources validate his points from metabolic disease through hinge movement pattern and loaded carries.

    But the section I did not enjoy was his relatively short section debunking health myths about alchohol from flawed and now debunked correlation studies. And basically taking a dump on booze.

    So, because I posted on this thread in a manner of somewhat dismissive douchebaggery about my fondness for and commitment to the drink etc etc I made a note to return to this thread and note that while I'm not going teetotaler yet I'm cutting way way back on volume/frequency. I'm none too happy about it either.

    https://peterattiamd.com/
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    My cardiologist told me to cut out alcohol because I have a family history of afib and alcohol consumption greatly increases the risk of it showing up in me. I’ve switched to nonalcoholic beer, and it’s hard to find anything palatable to this lager lover. IPA =/= beer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JHC View Post
    Narco-posting here for a cathartic cleanse.

    I started following this guys YT channel and was impressed and shared some vids with my wife who then bought his book "Outlive". Recently we spent about 25 hours on a long road trip and during most of that we listened to the audiobook version.

    It was easy listening and we're interested in nutrition and exercise and so that was mostly fun.

    Basically, long story short he's built up a lot of credibility with me for a variety of reasons especially because of how many other sources validate his points from metabolic disease through hinge movement pattern and loaded carries.

    But the section I did not enjoy was his relatively short section debunking health myths about alchohol from flawed and now debunked correlation studies. And basically taking a dump on booze.

    So, because I posted on this thread in a manner of somewhat dismissive douchebaggery about my fondness for and commitment to the drink etc etc I made a note to return to this thread and note that while I'm not going teetotaler yet I'm cutting way way back on volume/frequency. I'm none too happy about it either.

    https://peterattiamd.com/
    I've heard of Peter Attia before, the name rings a bell...I think he's one of the guys who had me thinking about intermittent fasting or something? I think a lot of docs, scientists and medical associated people still very strongly agree on a few things, and chief among those are that drinking and smoking are two of the biggest modifiable risk factors for a number of lifestyle diseases.

    As far as his debunking specific correlational studies, I haven't seen his specifically, but I recently looked into a few more rigorous explorations of the whole idea that "Red wine is ACKSHUALLY good for your heart" and came to the conclusion that it's mostly BS. If you want that magic good for your heart compound (resveratrol I believe is what it's called) it's found in greater concentration in a single glass of grape juice.

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    First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out-because I was not a socialist...

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    ...but I drew the line when they came for our beer.






    I'd hate to have to give up my one nightly beer or glass of wine with dinner...but I guess it's worth considering.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 45dotACP View Post
    I've heard of Peter Attia before, the name rings a bell...I think he's one of the guys who had me thinking about intermittent fasting or something? I think a lot of docs, scientists and medical associated people still very strongly agree on a few things, and chief among those are that drinking and smoking are two of the biggest modifiable risk factors for a number of lifestyle diseases.

    As far as his debunking specific correlational studies, I haven't seen his specifically, but I recently looked into a few more rigorous explorations of the whole idea that "Red wine is ACKSHUALLY good for your heart" and came to the conclusion that it's mostly BS. If you want that magic good for your heart compound (resveratrol I believe is what it's called) it's found in greater concentration in a single glass of grape juice.
    Attia freely admits he's revised a lot of his earlier thoughts on nutrition. He's currently rather agnostic across a wide spectrum of dietary approaches focused on whole foods vs ultra processed junk. He was once into intermittent fasting. But he found it was VERY hard for folks, esp older folks to get sufficient protein during the limited eating window. And he currently is on the side of championing much much higher protein than the RDA. He explains the science basis for that stance.

    He also previously did Keto himself and no longer does as he explains. He's not opposed to it if his patient does well with it. But he found some thrive and some get much worse lipid profiles and other issues on it. He argues that the diversity of the human genome does not lend itself to one true faith of one true diet.

    Regarding moderate drinking being healthy, he does a deep dive into the limits of epidemeological studies that find correlations. Later research drilling down into the study that found moderatae drinkers with better long term health outcomes - failed to account for a signifance "cohort" of the non-drinkers were non-drinkers because of pre-existing health problems that led them to stop drinking as well as addiction/psychological problems with past alchohol use. So basically the moderates just had other factors that were more balanced and healthy anyway.

    Anyway, I'd recommend his stuff.

    Oh, he admits he used to think diet was the biggest key to long good health. He now thinks it's helpful BUT numero uno is exercise and a LOT of it.

    I can't do it all justice. I'd recommend it. Note the audio is easier to work through than the book in my case. The book is a heavy lift.

    btw he's an avid archery enthusiast and grew up boxing.
    “Remember, being healthy is basically just dying as slowly as possible,” Ricky Gervais

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