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    Deadeye Dick Clusterfrack's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by GJM View Post
    ...on shot three that I start to mess up the trigger press, stop the press and fix it before firing the shot.
    Good post, and I totally agree. Maybe semantics, but I wouldn't call that a messed up trigger press in your video. That's a timing error (almost a pre-ignition push), and in my experience only really good shooters can recognize and stop that as it's happening (as you did).

    I do agree about the tradeoff between gripping hard and keeping the trigger finger and other fingers from co-contracting. I focus on my wrist, and that seems to help. "Seems" is the operative word because every time I think I've really got my WHO shooting squared away, some issue crops up for whack-a-mole.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GJM View Post
    Shooting one hand, I find that extending my arm fully, aligns me skeletally, and makes the dot reliably appear. One or two hands, any time the dot isn't there, I look at the spot on the target I want to hit, and extend my arms fully. Looking for the dot is the worst thing for me to do.
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    If I blade my body I often lose the dot.

    What works for me is keeping my normal stance, dropping 1 hand, and making sure that the dot goes to my dominant eye. It’s something that I really visualize on WHO classifier type stages.

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    I found canting the gun was inconsistent for me personally. I bend the elbow just short of full extension and have the gun straight up and down. If I don't find the dot, its usually due to lack of pinky pressure. I also prefer thumb somewhere between flagged and pointed towards target

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    One of the things I stole, with attribution, from @AsianJedi is how he does experiential learning for SHO & WHO shooting. I include it in my optics classes and use a SHO version of it in my low light classes - because low light work is SHO work.

    Strong side forward & back;
    Arm locked or bent;
    Thumb up, straight forward, or down;
    straight up & down, inboard cant, outboard cant;

    I've got a Two x Three drill that works acquiring & re-acquiring the reticle SHO, freestyle, and WHO. A reload is how I drive the re-acquisition.

    HTH

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    Quote Originally Posted by GJM View Post
    Shooting one hand, I find that extending my arm fully, aligns me skeletally, and makes the dot reliably appear. One or two hands, any time the dot isn't there, I look at the spot on the target I want to hit, and extend my arms fully. Looking for the dot is the worst thing for me to do.
    Finding that a fairly pronounced "snap" of locking the elbow is making this sure and repeatable. A nuanced difference than my earlier extended arm efforts.

    @LukeNCMX and vertical with the above.
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    I carefully tried Tim Herron’s method, very early this morning, when anything physical, that I do, is typically at its worst. Keeping sights well-aligned at the moment of the trigger break, in the early morning, during dry fire, is not a normal event. The sights remained perfectly aligned, during dry-fire, with each hand, one-hand-only. I thought that I had finally learned The Perfect one-hand-only hold, for both of my hands. I had not previously liked using a high thumb, with the weapon hand, but his detailed explanation made everything click, in my brain. Angels seemed to be be singing, somewhere. Then, I dry fired with the thumb locked down, with each hand, and the sights remained perfectly aligned. I then tried with a relatively horizontal thumb, with each hand, and, well, the sights remained perfectly aligned. Hmm. I repeated, with my thumb on the safety lever, though only right-handed, because there is no ambidextrous lever to use, on this particular pistol. Again, perfect. Hmm. I reckon that I am just having a very good morning, regardless of how I hold a 1911.

    I shall need to repeat this whole thing, when I am having a worse morning, to see which method is truly my best old-man-in-the-morning one-hand-only hold.

    To be clear, this was all dry fire. Controlling recoil was not part of the equation. Time for a range session!

    I shall, of course, need to repeat this, with a Glock.

    Having plenty of time to type this, I did not use the “SHO” or “WHO” acronyms. I am Left Hand Dominant, but Right Arm Dominant. Age, plus wear and tear, have affected the strength of my right hand, so, it is now the noticeably weaker hand, but, I still carry “primary” on the right side, and, all but one of my 1911 pistols lack ambidextrous safety levers.
    Retar’d LE. Kinesthetic dufus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clusterfrack View Post

    My WHO index is aided by turning my head to the left. (I do not tuck my chin because I always want to shoot with my head erect, with my eyes centered.)
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    This was the remedy to help me clean up my who dot index.

    As others have posted, I found further extension helps if I don't have a dot (rare issue but that generally fixes it).
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    Quote Originally Posted by backtrail540 View Post
    This was the remedy to help me clean up my who dot index.

    As others have posted, I found further extension helps if I don't have a dot (rare issue but that generally fixes it).
    Is this turning the upright head to the left aligning the dominant eye in a more advantageous position?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JHC View Post
    Is this turning the upright head to the left aligning the dominant eye in a more advantageous position?
    Yes.

    I think when i switch hands and no longer have the dominant hand as an anchor, my support hand favors the left side just enough that i can lose the dot and a slight turn of the head realigns my dominant eye.
    "...we suffer more in imagination than in reality." Seneca, probably.

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