Very sensible presentation, with lessons not only for tactics and mindset, but also for those who believe in configuring a rifle in a specific way, to facilitate using it through a field-expedient firing port, through one’s windshield. (Your muzzle loses the ability to freely traverse, when inserted through that cool little hole that you just blasted through your windshield.)
Retar’d LE. Kinesthetic dufus.
Don’t tread on volcanos!
I attended the competing approach (Centrifuge VCQB) to vehicle problems years ago when I was just starting on the path. I have not attended Pannone's course but everything I have seen from him on this topic makes sense.
Good food for thought. I wish he'd addressed the option to drive away and his thoughts on what to do if you make it out of the vehicle...but he's gotta make a living so I don't expect too much free info.
I will never get those 16 minutes back. This guy has no frickin clue what he is talking about. Hello, Captain Obvious, no one WANTS to fight from the front seat of a vehicle, duh. Plenty of cops have survived being ambushed in vehicles and knowing how to safely shoot back from within the vehicle without shooting yourself is actually pretty important. I actually know a guy who was sitting with his partner, going to the bank, when a 211 bank suspect walked out after robbing the bank, made Billy and his partner, and 'ol Billy used his Dick Special and 158 grain RNL to shoot through the windshield and end recidivism, permanently. Ever have a crash at the end of a pursuit/PIT where you wind up door to door with the badguy? Nah, that stuff never happens. Ever get stuck in traffic on a freeway because the paid demonstrators of the week decide to block the freeway and assault folks that look a certain way? That happened with disturbing regularity a few years ago here in the SF Bay Area and most metro areas in CA. Tell me how you are going to get out of your vehicle and hot foot it, leaving your wife and kid in the car. Unless you're in the #1 or slow lane, you can't drive out.
I had a guy I trained in FTO and then ran through our vehicle tactics class that was working Gang Task force a few years later.in an unmarked when a local parolee decided to walk around with an AK and relieve the citizenry of their belongings. The parolee was walking up to cars stopped at a light, from a perpendicular alley. My guy was able to release his seatbelt, draw, rotate in the passenger seat and throw a muzzle on Mr. Parolee before he made the two-man unit. Mr. Parolee lived to go back to prison.
Saying you're screwed and there is nothing you can do is more than stupid, it's irresponsible. Especially for a trainer.
This guy sets up his own strawman and then provides a drill that "proves" his point. Maybe if he had EVER performed a traffic stop he would know that sitting in the driver's seat and running someone is not what we teach, even with one man units.
You're one of those eh?Originally Posted by paherne
Your experiences created the mold? Set the standard? Only YOU know what you're talking about because you just rattled off a bunch of experiences that you participated in or heard about or read about, or dreamed about?
You do you boo.
Mike P. is very well regarded for a lot of reasons.
He's talking about police work, mainly. An appeal to authority is not the way to win an argument, especially when the authority is not an SME in that field.
I need to re-watch the video, I saw it a while back (when it first came out?), but I don't have enough recall to be conversant on it. As with a few things, people can differ - especially if their experiences give them a different view.
As for whether or not one can successfully respond or react to an ambush, I'll offer an article from Reitz about one such success.
Damnit, I can't upload it as it is too large at 1.4 Mb. If you want it, PM me an email address, and I'll share it. It's from an '03 AmericanHandgunner annual edition so I doubt it is online anywhere.
There is at least one other video out there that addresses the times involved with different responses - to ambush stimulus - while seated in the driver's seat of a car - driving off, bailing out & moving, drawing & shooting, etc. Throw Practically Tactical Ambush at YouTube's search bar, and you'll find it.
Caveat: while I have taken some vehicle-centric courses, I have not taken any training from Mr. Pannone.
So, because he's not a cop, he has no say? That's absurd.
Once again. You're one of those, eh?
Would he listen to me about explosive breaching?
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