Another change to the 147 HST?

[Molon]

Now the oldest design and the newest design performed exactly the same . . . I don’t even know which of these two is the oldest and newest…

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Those are both Gen 2 bullets.






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[TC215]

With that in mind, are you still using the 147 or did you switch to either 124 or 124+p?

Right now we still have the 147gr HST.

We’ve apparently purchased Winchester 124gr +P ammo…I don’t know what kind. I don’t think it’s Ranger. No idea why that was picked…there may not even be a good reason (I think our full-time firearms guys are jackasses and I’m under the impression that they’re not huge fans of me, either).

[56kobra]

Those are both Gen 2 bullets.






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Well I guess my question now is how many generations are there total, and how many generations have a double cannelure?
Because these two were bought 6-8 years apart and have a complete different label/marketing/colors on the boxes as you can see in my pics.

I believ the LE community noticed the more stark performance changes regarding more penetration less expansion within the last 2-3 years…

Either way, I’m not trying to overcomplicate anything, nor am I saying these new ones I just got are a different generation, they just look slightly different.

[56kobra]

For what it's worth, I have noted a similar, minimal but visually observable slight decrease in cavity opening on a recent shipment of HST 124 +P, compared to 2018 production. Otherwise the cartridge appears identical, including blue primer sealant.

If you take an older cartridge and the newer one, and swap them in your hand a few times, you can still identify which is which with a close look. That sort of difference. I didn't bother with a measurement.

This small of a change seems to me to be very unlikely to have any measurable effect on performance- "not enough difference to make a difference", all else presumed equal.

Yeah my newer ones, the newer style boxes have the blue primer sealant, my older ones out of the old style box have red primer sealant

[TC215]

Yeah my newer ones, the newer style boxes have the blue primer sealant, my older ones out of the old style box have red primer sealant

FWIW, I asked about the different colors when I was originally following up on this in 2020. Here’s what I posted after I talked to Federal:

I asked about this-- he said the sealant can be red, blue, or clear. It depends on what machine they're using.

[witchking777]

FWIW, I asked about the different colors when I was originally following up on this in 2020. Here’s what I posted after I talked to Federal:

I've had all three colors, all with the double cannelure design, and all have performed well on 4 legged creatures.

[Molon]

I know for a fact that Federal has redesigned the HST at least once in the last couple of years,

No shit Sherlock.

Do you know for a fact that the change shown in OP's picture is sloppy manufacture and not an intended design change?

I’m not the one who implied that this was a design change while failing to post any credible statement from Federal that this was a design change.

The bullet shown on the left is from the lot of 1st generation 147 grain HST that I tested and posted an article about in 2016. The bullet on the right is from a new lot of 147 grain HST that I recently received directly from Federal. The gen 1 bullet shows a cleanly formed lead core. The bullet from the new lot also shows a cleanly formed lead core, unlike the sloppily manufactured bullet posted in the OP.





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[LockedBreech]

No shit Sherlock.









I’m not the one who implied that this was a design change while failing to post any credible statement from Federal that this was a design change.

The bullet shown on the left is from the lot of 1st generation 147 grain HST that I tested and posted an article about in 2016. The bullet on the right is from a new lot of 147 grain HST that I recently received directly from Federal. The gen 1 bullet shows a cleanly formed lead core. The bullet from the new lot also shows a cleanly formed lead core, unlike the sloppily manufactured bullet posted in the OP.





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Correct, and when I was challenged by you on that I acknowledged your point that I was spitballing and simply posited that we both were. I also said I'd be curious to know the correct answer. I didn't double down, I expressed curiosity.

You've provided evidence that your supposition was correct, which I appreciate and acknowledge. I do not appreciate the way you chose to speak to me when I was nothing but courteous. I'm not an idiot, and I genuinely love learning new gun stuff. It's fine that I was wrong (even if it does give me some minor Federal QC concerns), but I had a basis for what I thought the situation was and welcomed correction. I'm sure you've been wrong before, and perhaps have even stated a belief without having the facts handy to back it up, and I'm sure you appreciated it when people were graceful about that.

I have zero interest in a pissing contest, you contribute good quality content to this forum, which I've expressed appreciation for before. I'd just like one of the only stress-free areas of my life (PF) to stay stress-free. If you want an apology that I posted a thought without a citation on my lunch break, you've got it.

[Hambo]

Right now we still have the 147gr HST.

We’ve apparently purchased Winchester 124gr +P ammo…I don’t know what kind. I don’t think it’s Ranger. No idea why that was picked…there may not even be a good reason (I think our full-time firearms guys are jackasses and I’m under the impression that they’re not huge fans of me, either).

Choose all that apply
-It was cheap
-Female sales rep with big tits
-Sales rep took them to lunch
-It's +P!
-The new HP looks badass

[Molon]

If you want an apology that I posted a thought without a citation on my lunch break, you've got it.

No apology necessary.

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