Target: 8" paper plate
Position: G19RTF AIWB in a Keeper under a Polo
Starting PAR: 2.5s
Lowest PAR with a hit: 1.7 (1.44/1.77)
Lowest PAR with 2 hits: 1.8 (1.41/1.73)
Final PAR: 2.0
Target: 8" paper plate
Position: G19RTF AIWB in a Keeper under a Polo
Starting PAR: 2.5s
Lowest PAR with a hit: 1.7 (1.44/1.77)
Lowest PAR with 2 hits: 1.8 (1.41/1.73)
Final PAR: 2.0
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Which Warrens and which Ameriglos, just out of curiosity?Originally Posted by Bill Nesbitt
Target: 8” circle/-0 zone on IDPA target
Start position: Gen3 G34 concealed in a Keeper under a t-shirt
Starting PAR: 1.6
Lowest PAR with a hit: 1.1
Final PAR: 1.1
Best clean pair: 1.02 (.83, .19)
The Gen 3 has a Warren wave rear sight with a .150 notch and the front is a .125 wide Dawson with a green fiber optic.
The Gen 4 has an Ameriglo i-dot rear with a .180 notch and the front is part # GL-212-220-GR-C ProGlo front sight, Green Tritum, LimeGreen LumiGlow Outline. .220" H x .140"W.
When I shot this exercise the other day I was facing South into the sun. The green front of the Ameriglo washed out.
Today I reshot it with both guns. Comp-Tac holster 5.11 vest, just like before. I moved the target and shot with the sun behind me. Nice to have my own range.
results:
Gen 4 6 misses
1.7
1.6
1.6
Fastest with both hits: 1.49
Gen 3 4 misses.
1.7
1.6
1.6
Fastest draw with hits: 1.51
Looks like a draw today.
Thanks Bill!The Gen 3 has a Warren wave rear sight with a .150 notch and the front is a .125 wide Dawson with a green fiber optic.
The Gen 4 has an Ameriglo i-dot rear with a .180 notch and the front is part # GL-212-220-GR-C ProGlo front sight, Green Tritum, LimeGreen LumiGlow Outline. .220" H x .140"W.
When I shot this exercise the other day I was facing South into the sun. The green front of the Ameriglo washed out.
Today I reshot it with both guns. Comp-Tac holster 5.11 vest, just like before. I moved the target and shot with the sun behind me. Nice to have my own range.
results:
Gen 4 6 misses
1.7
1.6
1.6
Fastest with both hits: 1.49
Gen 3 4 misses.
1.7
1.6
1.6
Fastest draw with hits: 1.51
Looks like a draw today.
Nice runs.
What sights are you using?
Do you think that a different sight setup would effect your times?
What about in different lighting conditions?
I'm not trying to call you out or anything, I just saw your question to Bill about sights, and when I saw your times I suddenly became curious.
Cheers.
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I used my normal practice and competition gun, which is an internally-stock Gen3 G34 with Ameriglo Defoor (all black) sights. I use those because I believe them to be like reverse training wheels: they don't help me run my visual focus correctly, they force me to do so (because they are precise, but low visibility sights, being all black) or else I will get bad results from being completely visually unaware of the sights' position.
My carry gun is an identical Gen3 G34 except it has Ameriglo Operator night sights, which have are three-dot tritium, green tritium in front, yellow in back, white outline around the front trit, no outline around the rear trit, giving a high-visibility element to the front sight when there is enough light to discern the white. They still have the precision capability of any notch and post sight set in good enough light, but I hedge my 'focal bet' by having a higher visibility front sight, in case 'in the moment' - having never been there before - I find myself target focusing despite my constant practice to sight focus. That's my rationale.
For this drill, since the target is a larger one and at fairly close range, I think if anything a higher visibility front sight might make the times faster by a hair, but I think it's really close to same-same. If we put it in poorer lighting conditions, I think the all black Defoor sights would theoretically be worse, but since the target is so big and close, I believe index to play a large role at max speed and there might not be much difference regardless of the sight type or lighting conditions. I shot it on an indoor range that doesn't have the best light anyway. Black sights worked ok.
My question to Bill was only out of curiosity as to which sights he found most advantageous, to compare his preferences and experience with my own.
Gen 4 G17 from keeper under untucked shirt.
Shot 8" circle using a turning target system set to par times.
Starting Par: 2.3
Lowest Par with 1 hit: 1.7
Lowest Clean Par: 1.8
Final Par: 1.8
G19 w/RMR07 carried AIWB in a Fricke Seraphim from under a long sleeve Polo shirt and Gore Tex shell firing Fed AE9FP 147 gr FMJ
8.5 x 11 paper
Starting PAR: 2.0 seconds
Lowest PAR with a hit: 1.5 seconds (1.42s)
Final PAR (20th draw): 1.6 seconds
Note--bounced a lot between 1.5 and 1.6.
I'm gonna use an 8 1/2 x 11 inch piece of paper for the next drill that allows it. Most of my misses on the 8" circle would have hit the paper and I could be an internet hero.
