Budget/value AR Purchase Question

[awp_101]

I think that the SIG M400 Tread offers a good package and value

I've wondered about those, I don't recall seeing them discussed very much.

[psalms144.1]

Last year I picked up an IWI Zion 16" M4gery. Don't know anything about if it's ready to fast rope into Mogadishu, but I can tell you it's been completely reliable and possibly the most accurate out of the box AR I've ever owned or shot. Last fall I was able to ring IPSC steel from a VERY hasty poorly supported kneeling position at 600 yards on the local range. With 77gr JHP, it shoots sub MOA all day long if I do my part.

Sample size of one and all that jazz, but I'd take a hard look at them.

[HeavyDuty]

I think that the SIG M400 Tread offers a good package and value; I've been pleased with mine, which has been upgraded with SIG and BCM and VTAC components. There was one assembly QC issue-the firing pin retaining cotter pin was improperly installed, resulting it splitting apart and wrapping around...

Nicely reinforced my protocol of field-stripping, cleaning and lubing any gun before any use....


Best, Jon

I've wondered about those, I don't recall seeing them discussed very much.

I have a M400 in pistol configuration, I’m impressed enough with it that I’m prepping it for a Form 1.

[JonInWA]

I've wondered about those, I don't recall seeing them discussed very much.

I won mine as part of a NSSF "Gearbox" drawing several years ago. I won the SIG-Sauer "Gearbox" which consisted of several guns and equipment, and SIG was great about me further tailoring it within the price constraints of what I won. The M400 Tread package I received was very nicely upgraded by SIG, with both the OEM and a lighter 15" M-LOK forearm, a Romeo5 RDS, upgraded ambidextrous charging handle, a forward grip/handstop kit, and a 3-chamber compensator (I chose to remain with the OEM 3-prong flash suppressor). and a VTAC two-point adjustable sling. I added Magpul BUIS sights (needing the SIG front rail segment for that) BCM sling attachment hardware, and a Magpul ejection port cover (replacing the OEM steel one).

I've found the rifle to be well thought out with what appears to be quality components. I have not felt it necessary to upgrade the trigger. The QC glitch with the firing pin cotter retaining pin was easily resolved by Rainier Arms locally; I took it to them when I could not get the bolt/bolt carrier disassembled.

The reviews that I've read have all been pretty positive. I position the M400 Tread as an entry to mid-level AR, and I think they're an excellent value. I've used it in one class and some subsequent training exercises, but mine doesn't have a high roundcount on it to date. The only malfunctions I've experienced were solidly at the door of some improperly specced reloads; since that all have been gauged and rejected if not to spec, with my preference to just stick with factory 5.56/.223. The Romeo5 RDS is quite nice, and I've also zeroed the Magpul polymer BUIS.

Best, Jon

[Suvorov]

I have a M400 in pistol configuration, I’m impressed enough with it that I’m prepping it for a Form 1.

I won mine as part of a NSSF "Gearbox" drawing several years ago. I won the SIG-Sauer "Gearbox" which consisted of several guns and equipment, and SIG was great about me further tailoring it within the price constraints of what I won. The M400 Tread package I received was very nicely upgraded by SIG, with both the OEM and a lighter 15" M-LOK forearm, a Romeo5 RDS, upgraded ambidextrous charging handle, a forward grip/handstop kit, and a 3-chamber compensator (I chose to remain with the OEM 3-prong flash suppressor). and a VTAC two-point adjustable sling. I added Magpul BUIS sights (needing the SIG front rail segment for that) BCM sling attachment hardware, and a Magpul ejection port cover (replacing the OEM steel one).

I've found the rifle to be well thought out with what appears to be quality components. I have not felt it necessary to upgrade the trigger. The QC glitch with the firing pin cotter retaining pin was easily resolved by Rainier Arms locally; I took it to them when I could not get the bolt/bolt carrier disassembled.

The reviews that I've read have all been pretty positive. I position the M400 Tread as an entry to mid-level AR, and I think they're an excellent value. I've used it in one class and some subsequent training exercises, but mine doesn't have a high roundcount on it to date. The only malfunctions I've experienced were solidly at the door of some improperly specced reloads; since that all have been gauged and rejected if not to spec, with my preference to just stick with factory 5.56/.223. The Romeo5 RDS is quite nice, and I've also zeroed the Magpul polymer BUIS.

Best, Jon

I have 2 SIG AR rifles - a 516 and a M400 pistol. Both have been SOLID rifles with the 516 becoming my primary all round carbine. While I have no experience with the Tread, my experience with these two rifles would lead me to view it positively.

The California Highway Patrol issues the M400 so there should be a fair amount of info on them.

[steve]

I have a good friend, recently retired teacher who is wanting to purchase an AR. Actually, it’s his wife that wants them to get one (!). He is a pretty typical shooter—doesn’t shoot a ton but is very responsible. I don't expect it will be a hard-use rifle, but I obviously want him to buy quality. I do recognize that “budget” and “value” do not mean the same thing. I’m asking for recommendations for the best budget trifle that is also a value.


Price wise, this is hard to bear, but is it good enough? https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-...ight-set3.html

Other options? Thanks!

That rifle will be fine for him to run hard and learn with. If he has a problem PSA has a door to door lifetime warranty. He can invest in ammo and training.

[pangloss]

https://armsunlimited.com/colt-le692...-no-furniture/

No promises, but I may have an extra stock and grip I could contribute if this looks appealing. He'd still need a handguard and sights though. Still, you should be able to get a good rifle for under $1K.

I bought two of these to set aside for my daughter's. I haven't fired either yet, but I think they are decent values.

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[HeavyDuty]

https://armsunlimited.com/colt-le692...-no-furniture/

No promises, but I may have an extra stock and grip I could contribute if this looks appealing. He'd still need a handguard and sights though. Still, you should be able to get a good rifle for under $1K.

I bought two of these to set aside for my daughter's. I haven't fired either yet, but I think they are decent values.

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I was looking at those for a friend - Dahlonega Armory in AL has them for a few bucks less, plus no sales tax. I agree they are probably one of the best bangs for the buck these days.

[tango-papa]

https://armsunlimited.com/colt-le692...-no-furniture/

No promises, but I may have an extra stock and grip I could contribute if this looks appealing. He'd still need a handguard and sights though. Still, you should be able to get a good rifle for under $1K.

I bought two of these to set aside for my daughter's. I haven't fired either yet, but I think they are decent values.

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I was looking at those for a friend - Dahlonega Armory in AL has them for a few bucks less, plus no sales tax. I agree they are probably one of the best bangs for the buck these days.

The Colt 6920.

Absolutely the best option for known quality - reliability - price.
No need to "pick two".

No issues about what kind of fuckery with assembly, parts, quality control, etc. might or might not be in the gun.

[HeavyDuty]

The Colt 6920.

Absolutely the best option for known quality - reliability - price.
No need to "pick two".

No issues about what kind of fuckery with assembly, parts, quality control, etc. might or might not be in the gun.

I’d want a Centurion C4 rail on it, but I wouldn’t be surprised to hear there are more economical choices for a rail that anchors to the milspec barrel nut these days.