Did I accidentally buy a DAK?!!

[JonInWA]

Yes you did, which means you probably over paid for the gun.

As the late P-F member LSP972 said so well “DAK sucks all the joy out of shooting a SIG.”

Having had both the LEM and the DAK issued, they are similar in concept, but in execution and user experience they are different.

The user experience with the DAK is simply shorter, lighter DAO trigger pull.

The user experience with the LEM is … different. You have a long take up with a wall that kind of reminds me of the 8 pound version of Glocks New York trigger. The LEM is P-F’s secret fetish but for non-dedicated users. It encourages bad habits, like anticipation, and attempting to “ride the reset point.”

My experience was you could shoot the DAK and other trigger styles interchangeably with minimal issues, whereas to be any good with the LEM you have to shoot nothing but LEM or DA Revolvers.

SIG can you convert your DAK gun to DA/SA or sell you the parts to do so. The Sig Armorer or Gray Guns could also do it and give you a better trigger in the process.

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I had one of the SIG "we're clearing out the warehouse" odd little unannounced sales, presumably accessed/solicited to by high-volume retailers; it was a curved triggerguard P229 in DAK, with both the .40 and the .357 SIG barrels. It was an earlier production DAK with the slightly lighter weight triggerpull, which required a break in period (which drove organizational issuers/users nuts, and quickly led SIG to come up with a heavier springing eliminating the break-in period). I think it also had SIGLITE tritium sights.

For me, the juice simply didn't warrant the squeeze The choice of the 2 triggerpull weight I found irritating, since I had to let the trigger out further to access the lighter one. I thought that for what it was, the P229 was fairly heavy and clunky (despite that, as I recall I owned at least 3 or 4 of 'em). I much preferred the triggerpull of my Beretta 92D, a Glock G19, and later the HK LEM. I have never particularly regretting putting it on the catch and release program.

Best, Jon

[Spartan1980]

My DAK two cents.

People that like shooting DA revolvers in DA mode will do alright with a DAK. The trigger is lighter and my example is really smooth. The first reset point I view as an OH SHIT! feature. It works, but it's not really the way to shoot the gun. Let that trigger go home just like with a revolver and it's great.

[Kanye Wyoming]

If @JCN comes back and says he took a Dremel to it, made it into an ice swan, and then shot a 5 second FAST with the swan I wouldn't blink. Just think "that's on brand" and move on with my life.

That was just too funny.

[Sero Sed Serio]

Yup, looks like DAK; DAO Sigs have a hammer spur iirc while DAK does not.

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I'm pretty sure NYPD was the only major user of the true DAO SIGs vs DAKs, and from what I've heard they were horrible.

I am one of of the dozen or so people in the world who actually like the DAK. Ignore that first reset point and you have a pretty nice DA trigger.

I grew up on revolvers and the DAK is essentially a very good revolver-like trigger.

Years ago, I carried a P226 DAK in .357 Sig. the combo actually worked pretty well, and I’m one a handful, it seems, that likes the DAK.

People that like shooting DA revolvers in DA mode will do alright with a DAK. The trigger is lighter and my example is really smooth. The first reset point I view as an OH SHIT! feature. It works, but it's not really the way to shoot the gun. Let that trigger go home just like with a revolver and it's great.

If there are 12 of us in the world, it would track that a quarter live here. I'm a DAK fanboi--I think it's the people management trigger that a LEM should be. I actually shoot it better than DA/SA, and I think that it slows me down just enough that I don't outrun my headlights. It's not a .12 splits gun, but it's a great shoot-at-assessment-speed gun. I also think that it pairs well with the heavier caliber .40 and .357 guns, because the recoil recovery and trigger reset speeds tend to come out at the same time.

I am a flicker that almost comes off the trigger during reset, so the false reset, which is a dirty, dirty lie, doesn't even compute for me. A ride the reset shooter might struggle. I've never shot a Beretta 92D, but in my fevered imagination, that's what a P226 DAK is--a big, heavy, forgiving 18 shot revolver that automatically goes back into safe mode as soon as you're done shooting. (Side note: where does the 5946 fall in this realm? I've been tempted as of late...)

My bedside gun is a P226 9mm DAK w/Mec Gar 18 rounder and Surefire X300. If I were going to a pistol-only gunfight, I'd take a DAK. If a new/old stock SiGARMS-marked DAK has sold for inflated prices on GB, I was probably involved somehow...

Some gratuitous DAK porn--a couple of projects from my collection: an all-stainless P226 milled to accept DAK guts by Wright Armory, and a P229 .40 milled for direct Acro mount by Impact Machine:

[Brian T]

I gutted my Dallas PD P226R-DAK and stuffed it full of GGI P-series parts.

A friend and fellow P-F member hates it because its a nicer trigger than what is on his WC BrigTac

[JCN]

If there are 12 of us in the world, it would track that a quarter live here. I'm a DAK fanboi--I think it's the people management trigger that a LEM should be. I actually shoot it better than DA/SA, and I think that it slows me down just enough that I don't outrun my headlights. It's not a .12 splits gun, but it's a great shoot-at-assessment-speed gun. I also think that it pairs well with the heavier caliber .40 and .357 guns, because the recoil recovery and trigger reset speeds tend to come out at the same time.

I am a flicker that almost comes off the trigger during reset, so the false reset, which is a dirty, dirty lie, doesn't even compute for me. A ride the reset shooter might struggle. I've never shot a Beretta 92D, but in my fevered imagination, that's what a P226 DAK is--a big, heavy, forgiving 18 shot revolver that automatically goes back into safe mode as soon as you're done shooting. (Side note: where does the 5946 fall in this realm? I've been tempted as of late...)

My bedside gun is a P226 9mm DAK w/Mec Gar 18 rounder and Surefire X300. If I were going to a pistol-only gunfight, I'd take a DAK. If a new/old stock SiGARMS-marked DAK has sold for inflated prices on GB, I was probably involved somehow...

Some gratuitous DAK porn--a couple of projects from my collection: an all-stainless P226 milled to accept DAK guts by Wright Armory, and a P229 .40 milled for direct Acro mount by Impact Machine:

So awesome! Thanks!

I love learning and experimenting with things, so it's kind of a happy accident that I got a DAK!

I'm sending out the slide to Vulcan to be milled for an EPS today. I think the low deck height of the K series will pair nicely with the shallow cuts they're able to do on the P guns.

Will get the second P226 (DASA 40SW) in about a week and then be able to compare back to back.

[jd950]

If there are 12 of us in the world, it would track that a quarter live here. I'm a DAK fanboi--I think it's the people management trigger that a LEM should be. I actually shoot it better than DA/SA, and I think that it slows me down just enough that I don't outrun my headlights. It's not a .12 splits gun, but it's a great shoot-at-assessment-speed gun. I also think that it pairs well with the heavier caliber .40 and .357 guns, because the recoil recovery and trigger reset speeds tend to come out at the same time.

I think many years ago on another forum, TLG said he thought .50 was about the fastest one could shoot the DAK. I have not tested that, but I should. I am a big proponent of shooting no faster than assessment speed for defensive/LE purposes and have never felt hampered by the DAK. I "feel" like I can shoot a DAK faster than .50, but that doesn't mean much. I think .33 splits are about right for real world use. I will carry the DAK as long as I can, although I think that might be within the next year.

[cheby]

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I'm pretty sure NYPD was the only major user of the true DAO SIGs vs DAKs, and from what I've heard they were horrible.







If there are 12 of us in the world, it would track that a quarter live here. I'm a DAK fanboi--I think it's the people management trigger that a LEM should be. I actually shoot it better than DA/SA, and I think that it slows me down just enough that I don't outrun my headlights. It's not a .12 splits gun, but it's a great shoot-at-assessment-speed gun. I also think that it pairs well with the heavier caliber .40 and .357 guns, because the recoil recovery and trigger reset speeds tend to come out at the same time.

I am a flicker that almost comes off the trigger during reset, so the false reset, which is a dirty, dirty lie, doesn't even compute for me. A ride the reset shooter might struggle. I've never shot a Beretta 92D, but in my fevered imagination, that's what a P226 DAK is--a big, heavy, forgiving 18 shot revolver that automatically goes back into safe mode as soon as you're done shooting. (Side note: where does the 5946 fall in this realm? I've been tempted as of late...)

My bedside gun is a P226 9mm DAK w/Mec Gar 18 rounder and Surefire X300. If I were going to a pistol-only gunfight, I'd take a DAK. If a new/old stock SiGARMS-marked DAK has sold for inflated prices on GB, I was probably involved somehow...

Some gratuitous DAK porn--a couple of projects from my collection: an all-stainless P226 milled to accept DAK guts by Wright Armory, and a P229 .40 milled for direct Acro mount by Impact Machine:

What are the iron sights on your 229? How did you like the milling that Impact Machine did for you? I want to mill one of my 229 in 40SW and exploring the options.

[feudist]

I'm pretty sure @Rex G carried one and liked it while on duty.
Maybe he could comment on their pros and cons.

[JCN]

I going to go ahead and predict that if JCN finds the trigger to be extremely weird he will just see it as a new challenge and master it in about 3 hours. No, I'm not being facetious.

Dunno about “master” but I think I got the hang of it today after a magazine or two!

People that like shooting DA revolvers in DA mode will do alright with a DAK. The trigger is lighter and my example is really smooth.

That is how it felt to me.

It's not a .12 splits gun, but it's a great shoot-at-assessment-speed gun. I also think that it pairs well with the heavier caliber .40 and .357 guns, because the recoil recovery and trigger reset speeds tend to come out at the same time.

… that's what a P226 DAK is--a big, heavy, forgiving 18 shot revolver that automatically goes back into safe mode as soon as you're done shooting.

That’s what I’m going to use it to practice… my revolver trigger.

I think many years ago on another forum, TLG said he thought .50 was about the fastest one could shoot the DAK. I have not tested that, but I should. I am a big proponent of shooting no faster than assessment speed for defensive/LE purposes and have never felt hampered by the DAK. I "feel" like I can shoot a DAK faster than .50, but that doesn't mean much. I think .33 splits are about right for real world use. I will carry the DAK as long as I can, although I think that might be within the next year.

0.25-0.27 was about what I could do faithfully.