I guess, but how much of that is just evolution?Originally Posted by BN
How popular is IDPA 6 shot Revo?
IMO, IDPA revolver is a much better application for Revo than USPSA type stages… and I was under the impression it wasn’t flourishing in popularity?
Steel challenge is the most competitive application of it, IMO.
Except for the specialists in ICORE, revolver shooting in any of the action sports is a niche, a SMALL niche.
This past season I shot Revolver a few times, I was one of three or one of two at the matches.
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Interesting. Is that because most revolver shooters are not interested in custom otherwise useless 8-round wheel guns?
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As a single stack shooter, I will say having two extra rounds that score minor PF makes a big difference in where the division goes, especially when you lower the power factors.
Additionally you get a ton of local stage designers who prefer hosing stages and set up stages that have a ton of 4 target arrays.
That really sets the game to prefer someone who shoots an 8 shot .357 loaded with powder puff .38 Short Colt handloads or N frame 9mm moon clipped abortions.
USPSA might get a more interesting revo game if they allowed the 8 shot revolver guys to load to major PF and see where it goes from there.
But USPSA revolver is dead and single stack with it.
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There were a lot of people with 6 round S&W 625s plus a lot of people who had other 6 shot revolvers. At the time I wrote my AC and I had looked up how many S&W Model 10s that had been made. I think it was several million. None of those guns are now competitive in USPSA Revolver.
Now, to be competitive you needed to buy a new revolver, holster and assorted gear plus work up a load that needed to be a handload because there was no factory ammo that was competitive. I think people just said forget it (or probably they used other words) and just took an auto loader out of the safe.
It made me mad and I let my membership lapse.
You may have been in a rule set prior to my membership in USPSA, but as far as I know a model 10 would never have been competitive. Shooting minor with speed loaders vs major with moonclips? Not to mention N frame weight. The game basically required a 625, just like now it basically requires a 929.
Revolver was dead before the ruleset change. For what it's worth I know a few people that started revo because of the rule change. They were 9mm shooters and thought what the hell. In the end all the money gets spent on ammo not equipment anyway.
I think practiscore made people a lot more interested in overall finishes too. It just isn't that fun to have an awesome revo day and get beat by a C class carry optics shooter.
I have had the pleasure to shoot 4 major matches at the same time as Jerry M. At 2 of them I was on his squad.
At 2 of the matches, I shot a Major moon clip gun and the other 2 I shot a minor 4" Model 10 with speedloaders. At each of the matches, I shot 60% to 65% of Jerry's score. Basically the same scores. I was just as competitive with the Model 10 as with the major moon clip gun.
Early on in the change to 8 round minor, some of the top shooters tried to compete with their old 6 shot major gun. They didn't do well.
Not to mention all the problems trying to get the 9mm revolvers to run.
One year before the change, we had 3 full squads of revolver shooters at The Nationals.
"Perceived," being the operative word. Most people could work off the shelf guns all the way through A class, by working on the actual shooting, and moving skills, before minor advantages in the pistol itself would start showing any advantage.
I'm running a stock (except for sights) Glock 19 Gen 5, in Limited. The sights are nothing special eithrr, just Ameriglo Agent sights. I'm a long way from worrying about Major vs Minor, or any slight advantage a different trigger might offer.
When I am solidly established in A class, and [b]IF[b] I determine slight equipment gains will help me get into M, then I'll think about setting up a gaming gun. However, The big gains are to be made in gun handling, and movement, not tweaks to my stock Glock.
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Here’s Rob Leatham’s recent post on Facebook. Kind of the same point:
The difference between a 59 oz striker fired 125 pf gun and a 1911 style firing mechanism 59 oz 125 pf gun is insignificant.
I believe porting and venting of gasses in any manner constitutes compensating.
Apply the usage to whatever division you like. There are sensible arguments to be made for and against.
That the SS division is now the lightest weight limit and most compact division is silly.
We no longer have a practical division.
The 125 PF thing is a holdover from a time when we wanted .38 special revolvers of questionable strength to be able to make minor.
I still believe in power in the real world.
The problem is if we now consider the 9x19 round to be the standard and sufficient it should be at a power level commonly encountered. Which is not 125. 125 is silly.
I’d be on board with a single PF if it were relative to the ammo used for duty or defense. 140-150 is more appropriate.
However as we turn the sport more and more into a video game rather than a martial skills training and testing ground, I’m sure the masses will feel different.
There are those that think we should shoot 22LR
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