A300 Ultima Patrol

[awp_101]

I’m guessing the Elves Union is blocking the chance to have some of them move to a potential 1301 SGA production line?

[Rick R]

I’m guessing the Elves Union is blocking the chance to have some of them move to a potential 1301 SGA production line?

I think the point is, where the gnomes at Magpul make stocks for guns built by the dwarven folk in Ilion they can’t quite get the agreements, codicils and hand gestures together to cooperate with the Italian elves. It’s all good, the fairy folk at Aridus gotta make ends meet too.


I’m curious to see the new offering from Beretta.

[mmc45414]

Nah, it's... a lot more complicated than that.

Nobody said no, it's just... a small potato in a big field kind of thing.

The trick is getting them to do it sooner than the Savage stock...

[Gerry Adams]

Although I'm excited for the reveal, I'm sad for Aridus as they've been at the forefront moving the 1301 into the mainstream, and now they're slowly getting squeezed from multiple angles. But I guess that just how it goes.

[oss117]

I know nothing of the details of this new shotgun. Hypothetically it sounds like it might be based on the A300 action vs. A400 like the 1301. So between the two, what real world advantages does the A400/1301 action have over the A300? Is it more reliable or does it recoil less? TIA

[rob_s]

I know nothing of the details of this new shotgun. Hypothetically it sounds like it might be based on the A300 action vs. A400 like the 1301. So between the two, what real world advantages does the A400/1301 action have over the A300? Is it more reliable or does it recoil less? TIA

I was thinking a similar theory. I think the a300 is us made? Maybe gets around some of the restrictions on import guns?

Pretty sure the a400/1301 has the springs forward while the a300 has the springs in the stock?

Which, btw, doesn’t bode well for Magpul being on board, not getting a truly short lop, if mystery gun is a300-based.

[RevolverRob]

I guess I'm getting impatient like a kid on December 23rd.

If we can let the cat out of the bag enough to know something new is coming Soon™️ then let's just rip the band aid off.

[Trigger]

So we may or may not be trying to take over the tactical 12ga market this year... If any of you voted for the 1301 in the readers choice portion, thank you. It's communities like this putting platforms through the intellectual and practical wringer that hold us on the OEM side to improving our game.

PS- I hope this lays to rest any concern that the 1301 is going away/going to be forgotten.

Are you teasing us with that factory looking picture with lots of aftermarket parts on a 1301T? If so, it’s working.

[Ben_G]

Although I'm excited for the reveal, I'm sad for Aridus as they've been at the forefront moving the 1301 into the mainstream, and now they're slowly getting squeezed from multiple angles. But I guess that just how it goes.

We're working with Adam on multiple points to make sure he can continue to make cool shit for the 1301 as well as the new platform.
A big part of my job is to assist and support ecosystem development on our platforms, and the organization is more invested in doing so now than it has before.

[Ben_G]

I know nothing of the details of this new shotgun. Hypothetically it sounds like it might be based on the A300 action vs. A400 like the 1301. So between the two, what real world advantages does the A400/1301 action have over the A300? Is it more reliable or does it recoil less? TIA

Well in that hypothetical comparison between the 2 actions, there's a few critical differences. in the hunting world of course you start out with the 3" vs 3.5" availability, but that hypothetically wouldn't matter here.

The A400/1301 platforms have:
- superior barrels (Italian made, lengthened forcing cones, back bored, etc, aka Steelium in Beretta-speak)
- the rotating bolt allows for reliable operation without needing to overgas the gun which is good for professional/ long term heavy use
- the recoil spring location under the handguard is easier to access for service and cleaning
- that recoil spring location frees up a lot of options for the stock on a 1301 while the A300's rear spring system is much more limiting for stock modifications.

The A300 platform traditionally offers:
- A domestic developed and manufactured product for less 922r headache, and made with a more Americanized understanding of the market and customer feature set desires
- Closer to mass-market pricing than specialist gear pricing of the rotating bolt platforms (European pricing models for firearms are completely different that the US market because there isn't the same kind of competition)
- Still a bombproof platform (the modern ones are still a continuation of the old 390/3901 guns). I know my local clays range has a few A300 rental beaters that have 60K+ rounds through them, some with minimal maintenance

I guess I'm getting impatient like a kid on December 23rd.

If we can let the cat out of the bag enough to know something new is coming Soon™️ then let's just rip the band aid off.

Nope.
A) I technically don't have approval to do this, let alone actually leak /release the gun.
B) I see nothing wrong with letting this marinate another 6 days. Deepens the flavor and all.

Are you teasing us with that factory looking picture with lots of aftermarket parts on a 1301T? If so, it’s working.

Not intentionally. That was just the image used in the release, and I don't know if we chose it or Ballistic. My guess is they just chose the coolest picture of the 1301T they could find, which happened to be an LTT'ed gun with full kit. I was just saying that we're taking the SA tac shotgun market very seriously, both with this gun, and the 1301.