Poll: P320 Unintentional Discharge Issues

[omega9]

Funny how these problems only seem to happen with cops…

[mcgivro]

Mod here. Strike 2. Care to swing again?

[krav51]

I was at a fairly advanced NODS (night vision) carbine/pistol class last weekend. It was 15F and snowy, so in addition to full kit, I had a parka and heavier gloves. Holstering my handgun in full darkness required extra attention. I was very happy to be running a P-07, because I could verify it was decocked and thumb the hammer all the way into the holster. Often there was a lot going on when holstering was required (e.g. during a malfunction/transition/remediation drill). A strap, glove, or something could get in the trigger guard with no easy way to tell (no vision, weak tactile feedback). A SFA with no safety or gadget seems objectively less safe under those conditions

Great point! Environmental variables are almost never talked about but exist in the real world.

[Noah]

Great point! Environmental variables are almost never talked about but exist in the real world.

No joke, a few years ago, I had just traded my friend my Beretta 92 for a Glock. This was before I knew about the SCD, and with my schedule at the time almost all my range trips in the winter were in the dark between 6 and 9 pm. After my first range trip reholstering the hot Glock in the pitch black, trying to use a handheld flashlight to clear the holster, I traded him back hahaha

[CCT125US]

For several years, I would grow tired of sticking with the LEM. Then winter would roll around. Heavy jacket, gloves, loss of dexterity, the ability to see my trigger press, and block the hammer have kept me on the same gun.

I've heard the P320 described as the Serpa of pistols. They work great if everything is done properly.

[Clusterfrack]

For several years, I would grow tired of sticking with the LEM. Then winter would roll around. Heavy jacket, gloves, loss of dexterity, the ability to see my trigger press, and block the hammer have kept me on the same gun.

I've heard the P320 described as the Serpa of pistols. They work great if everything is done properly.

Yeah, and the analogy is really good if you are activating your WML SHO with your gloved index finger.

[EVP]

I was at a fairly advanced NODS (night vision) carbine/pistol class last weekend. It was 15F and snowy, so in addition to full kit, I had a parka and heavier gloves. Holstering my handgun in full darkness required extra attention. I was very happy to be running a P-07, because I could verify it was decocked and thumb the hammer all the way into the holster. Often there was a lot going on when holstering was required (e.g. during a malfunction/transition/remediation drill). A strap, glove, or something could get in the trigger guard with no easy way to tell (no vision, weak tactile feedback). A SFA with no safety or gadget seems objectively less safe under those conditions

Excellent points, I think a lot of people lose sight of administrative gun handling in these type of conditions were it is not a perfect and sunny day on the range.

[JonInWA]

Similarly, IDPA or like matches, especially those shot in cold or inclement weather can be a good litmus test for accessing draw, use and reholstering.

Best, Jon

[spyderco monkey]

Somewhat related, with the launch of the SIG Macro, and the coming SIG Macro Longslide, I wonder what the rationale will be to pursue the P320?

With the 365 Macro series you'll have better modularity, identical magazine capacity and ballistics, a slimmer and lighter handgun, and no history of accidental discharge.

[spinmove_]

Somewhat related, with the launch of the SIG Macro, and the coming SIG Macro Longslide, I wonder what the rationale will be to pursue the P320?

With the 365 Macro series you'll have better modularity, identical magazine capacity and ballistics, a slimmer and lighter handgun, and no history of accidental discharge.

That can’t possibly be SIG’s answer to the P320 discharge issues! I’m sure the P320 is just fine and the P365 Macro Longslide TotallynotaP320replacementforthecivilianmarketsowe canavoidbeingsuedintooblivion really and truly is meant for concealed carry on larger people that can get away with a longer grip and longer barrel. They totally won’t try to push such a platform into LE or Competition in the next 5 years to normalize it either so that they quietly remove the P320 from their lineup and still just maintain the M17/M18 for contracts…