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    Gas port diameter is more important than carbine vs middie.

    There are advantages to a 14.5 over 16 inch barrel. They’re subtle, but enough for me that they outweigh any perceived disadvantage of having a pinned muzzle device. I say perceived because I don’t find removing a pinned muzzle device to be difficult.

    I prefer the 14.5” SOCOM carbine barrel over the 16” government profile middie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MistWolf View Post
    Gas port diameter is more important than carbine vs middie.

    There are advantages to a 14.5 over 16 inch barrel. They’re subtle, but enough for me that they outweigh any perceived disadvantage of having a pinned muzzle device. I say perceived because I don’t find removing a pinned muzzle device to be difficult.

    I prefer the 14.5” SOCOM carbine barrel over the 16” government profile middie.
    What are the advantages to the 14.5 pin and welded over the 16"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Blackburn View Post
    What are the advantages to the 14.5 pin and welded over the 16"?
    It’s shorter and lighter.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Blackburn View Post
    What are the advantages to the 14.5 pin and welded over the 16"?
    If you are comparing the same barrel profile across different lengths, then use, the shorter is lighter. However, I have a 16" BCM ELW with their early super light KMR rail that is lighter than a 14.5" p/w BCM gov profile with MMR.

    Another benefit of 14.5 SOCOM is that this was the spec that was tested by SOCOM.

    The 14.5 does feel "handier" will probably handle slightly better with a supressor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Blackburn View Post
    What are the advantages to the 14.5 pin and welded over the 16"?
    I prefer the balance & handling.

    The Colt 14.5 SOCOM barrel only weighs about 1.5 ounces more than a Colt 16 inch government profile barrel and has most of its mass under the handguard and around the chamber for better heat management and, in my opinion, better handling.

    The added bonus is, the 14.5 just looks right
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    Quote Originally Posted by SwampDweller View Post
    I've never understood the ridicule for carbine length gas on the internet. On some certain forums with the way it's talked about, you'd think the guns are jammomatics and borderline useless. Sure, midlength may be more appropriate for such barrel lengths, but a well-made carbine gas gun with a proper spec gas port will just run and run, and they have done so for decades with great reliability. I ordered the midlength to try it out and receive the benefits observed during testing, but if all I could have were 14.5" or 16" carbine gas rifles, I wouldn't sweat it. My old Colt LE6920 has been incredibly reliable and accurate.
    I still see Colt 6920s recommended almost universally when someone asks what their first AR should be. Mid lengths seem to be more optimal and have a better recoil impulse--though we really are not talking about much recoil to begin with. I would not sweat the midlength thing, even though I own own one. I've personally shot several high round count classes with carbine length gas systems with issues so minimal that they fall into the acceptable range. I did a two day Jeff Gonzales Trident Concepts carbine class that was probably the heaviest round count class I had been to: about 1800 rounds over a 2 day period, and had one stove pipe. At the time I was shooting an old Colt AR15A2 carbine. I also shot a 2-day Magpul Dynamics class that was about 1500-1600 rounds and had no problems once I eliminated a problem magazine that gave me two failures to feed where it was clear that the feed lips were hindering the round. I was running a Colt 6940 for that class.
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    Any thoughts on American Defense Manufacturing (ADM)? I picked up one of their ambi lowers several years back and really like it. I've been thinking about grabbing one of their complete rifles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MistWolf View Post
    I prefer the balance & handling.

    The Colt 14.5 SOCOM barrel only weighs about 1.5 ounces more than a Colt 16 inch government profile barrel and has most of its mass under the handguard and around the chamber for better heat management and, in my opinion, better handling.

    The added bonus is, the 14.5 just looks right
    I have found that the 14.5" SOCOM barrels to shoot tighter groups than the standard 6920 barrel. Also, it should handle heat better. None of this is to say that the standard 6920 barrel can't handle heat or is inaccurate. I have also found that the Colt 6940 with the free float handguards, also known as the Colt M4 Monolithic, tends to shoot tighter groups than the 6920. None of this is to suggest that the 6920 is inaccurate, but rather that different versions may perform a bit better. The last time I remember shooting a Colt 6920 for accuracy with an optic I was getting about 1.75" 5 shot groups using an ACOG at 100 yards. I think those results may have been with 77 grain ammo. I believe that this was in 2010ish. This is just one gun being shot, but I certainly believe this represents adequate performance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Hearne View Post
    Any thoughts on American Defense Manufacturing (ADM)? I picked up one of their ambi lowers several years back and really like it. I've been thinking about grabbing one of their complete rifles.
    Good to go from everything I've seen and the sample of one I've gotten hands on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MistWolf View Post
    Gas port diameter is more important than carbine vs middie.

    There are advantages to a 14.5 over 16 inch barrel. They’re subtle, but enough for me that they outweigh any perceived disadvantage of having a pinned muzzle device. I say perceived because I don’t find removing a pinned muzzle device to be difficult.

    I prefer the 14.5” SOCOM carbine barrel over the 16” government profile middie.
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