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  1. #21
    I donít suggest paying $60 for rodsÖ there is a guy on one of the Form 1 suppressor forums that offers good rods for pretty cheap. Want to say like 6 rods for $60ish. Iíll be honest, I forget the forum.

    At that price, zero reason not to check with a rod. I personally do it once on each setup to confirm threads are good. But if you have cans with different end capsÖ will help you confirm you arenít launching a bigger slug thru a smaller can.

    Might not be a huge issue with .22Ö but those threads are identical to 9mm. .22 can on a 9mm isnít a fun scenario.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Screwball View Post
    I donít suggest paying $60 for rodsÖ there is a guy on one of the Form 1 suppressor forums that offers good rods for pretty cheap. Want to say like 6 rods for $60ish. Iíll be honest, I forget the forum.

    At that price, zero reason not to check with a rod. I personally do it once on each setup to confirm threads are good. But if you have cans with different end capsÖ will help you confirm you arenít launching a bigger slug thru a smaller can.

    Might not be a huge issue with .22Ö but those threads are identical to 9mm. .22 can on a 9mm isnít a fun scenario.
    https://www.ar15.com/forums/Armory/A...rr-/20-496226/

    https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/...1/super-quiet/

    8893K193 Tight-Tolerance Oil-Hardening O1 Tool Steel Rod, 0.2188″ Diameter, 3 Feet Long for 5.56/.223
    8893K191 Tight-Tolerance Multipurpose O1 Tool Steel Rod, 0.2120″ Diameter, 3 Feet Long for .22 LR
    8893K219 Tight-Tolerance Oil-Hardening O1 Tool Steel Rod, 0.2969″ Diameter, 3 Feet Long for 7.62/.308
    8893K231 Tight-Tolerance Oil-Hardening O1 Tool Steel Rod, 0.3438″ Diameter, 3 Feet Long for 9mm
    https://www.mcmaster.com/product/8893k191

    Looks like 4-5$
    God Bless,

    Brandon

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    I guess this is a bit of a hijack, but I am keen on the idea of the integrate suppressors, like the TacSol.
    I understand it is integrated, so obviously integrated to one gun, but are there other negatives? Seems like also not the cheap way to do things, but my mindset is that by the time I would be buying a stamp I might as well get a stamp for something nicer.

    What really seems even more better would be a rifle version (or this one) that eliminates the second SBR stamp.

    I know jack about this, but am just starting to get curious. At the same time I am less inclined to have a bunch of stuff, so I am not as adverse to having something dedicated as I maybe have been in the past.

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    A lot of people have complained about those not being straight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mmc45414 View Post
    I guess this is a bit of a hijack, but I am keen on the idea of the integrate suppressors, like the TacSol.
    I understand it is integrated, so obviously integrated to one gun, but are there other negatives? Seems like also not the cheap way to do things, but my mindset is that by the time I would be buying a stamp I might as well get a stamp for something nicer.

    What really seems even more better would be a rifle version (or this one) that eliminates the second SBR stamp.

    I know jack about this, but am just starting to get curious. At the same time I am less inclined to have a bunch of stuff, so I am not as adverse to having something dedicated as I maybe have been in the past.
    Iíll take a swing at why I wouldnít get an integrally suppressed (of course this is my opinion - and I welcome this hijack).

    I picked up my Ruger 22/45 MKIV last night. It points like a Glock and Iím happy.

    Back to reasons Iíd avoid integrally suppressed

    1.) Transferability - you mention wanting to be a minimalist. Unfortunately given these are NFA items - itís a huge pain to procure more. But, if youíre looking at this from a minimalist perspective - having a suppressor that you can suppress any host thatís threaded has huge benefits. Most people buy multi-caliber suppressors. I have a .22 WMR that I could have threaded and I may. I also am thinking about a S&W MP 15-22 at some point. I could put this Mask on either.

    2.) Servicing - so every integral gun is going to be inherently unique. I will say specifically talking about Rimfires theyíre really dirty. So, getting that apart and cleaning it may or may not be easy. Itís really going to depend on the designer and how much (or how little) forethought was put into that. Most pistol caliber and rimfire suppressors are user serviceable these days. A lot of integral guns Iíve seen are monocore and that can be difficult to disassemble and then clean with something such as an ultrasonic cleaner, etc.

    3.) Performance - so atleast in rimfire I think there is such a high level of performance now that there are diminishing returns on performance. In the 90ís and early 00ís when there werenít hearing safe (or considered hearing safe) .45 ACP suppressors, etc. in the 80ís-90ís things like wipes, barrel porting, integral suppression, etc. were more common because it seems baffle technology was more primitive with things like stamped baffles, etc. machining being so easy and so flexible and audio testing advancing so much we now have such better ideas about things.

    One last note that I found interesting in an interview with Todd Magee (Lead Designer for Dead Air) - we always assume more baffles = more better. But, testing has not shown that to be the case. There was an interview he discussed this in. But I donít recall which and itís been weeks since I watched them. But it might be this one.

    https://youtu.be/_ajB8Ea51xc

    Demolition Ranch did a video with some Q silencers (the erector) where he was given 69 baffles and that didnít prove that out. Itís no longer listed on his YouTube channel, but anyway.

    Just my thoughts and I hope you take the plunge!
    God Bless,

    Brandon

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    Quote Originally Posted by Screwball View Post
    A lot of people have complained about those not being straight.
    Honestly.

    I might just use a cleaning Rod and YOLO.
    God Bless,

    Brandon

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    Thanks for this, it confirms what I was thinking.


    Quote Originally Posted by BWT View Post
    Iíll take a swing at why I wouldnít get an integrally suppressed (of course this is my opinion - and I welcome this hijack).

    1.) Transferability
    Funny thing, my "minimalism" might be a bit backwards. I am more thinking that I probably do not need more than one thing suppressed, but the potential flaw in my theory is that I probably would actually want a 22LR rifle and a 22LR pistol suppressed, an obvious opportunity to use the same can. Even though I am mostly a pistol shooter I am most intrigued by doing a 10/22 with that Gentech, I just think that would be sweet in the Midwest Industries chassis I am in process on. While I am thinking about a suppressor, am a bit more reluctant about the SBR, and the integrated barrels keep the rifling short to keep velocities down a bit. Maybe then someday follow up a pistol, but of I have a suppressed rifle and a suppressed pistol, I figure I got the bases covered and am not as motivated to have a can I could move to a bunch of other hosts. Dunno, I might be FoS...

    Quote Originally Posted by BWT View Post
    2.) Servicing
    I think both the Gentech and TacSol accommodate this pretty well.

    Quote Originally Posted by BWT View Post
    Just my thoughts and I hope you take the plunge!
    I am moving closer to moving this from the "want" category to the "want now" category...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mmc45414 View Post
    Thanks for this, it confirms what I was thinking.



    Funny thing, my "minimalism" might be a bit backwards. I am more thinking that I probably do not need more than one thing suppressed, but the potential flaw in my theory is that I probably would actually want a 22LR rifle and a 22LR pistol suppressed, an obvious opportunity to use the same can. Even though I am mostly a pistol shooter I am most intrigued by doing a 10/22 with that Gentech, I just think that would be sweet in the Midwest Industries chassis I am in process on. While I am thinking about a suppressor, am a bit more reluctant about the SBR, and the integrated barrels keep the rifling short to keep velocities down a bit. Maybe then someday follow up a pistol, but of I have a suppressed rifle and a suppressed pistol, I figure I got the bases covered and am not as motivated to have a can I could move to a bunch of other hosts. Dunno, I might be FoS...


    I think both the Gentech and TacSol accommodate this pretty well.


    I am moving closer to moving this from the "want" category to the "want now" category...
    Well - no worries from my end. Think it over (I only took around 13 years to take the plungeÖ 2009 until 2022) and maybe go shoot some stuff if you have the chance and see where your priorities are.

    I would advise shooting suppressed guns if you havenít. That was actually underwhelming for me and thus I went the AR-15 route first.
    God Bless,

    Brandon

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    Quote Originally Posted by BWT View Post
    Honestly.

    I might just use a cleaning Rod and YOLO.
    You do youÖ

    I paid $2,900 for my three suppressors/tax. That doesnít include guns I had modified to accept suppressors (lived in NJ originally) nor all the upgrades I did to run the cans on my firearms. To argue $60 in rods that are straight isnít a worthwhile investment to not cause easily preventable damageÖ again, you do you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Screwball View Post
    You do youÖ

    I paid $2,900 for my three suppressors/tax. That doesnít include guns I had modified to accept suppressors (lived in NJ originally) nor all the upgrades I did to run the cans on my firearms. To argue $60 in rods that are straight isnít a worthwhile investment to not cause easily preventable damageÖ again, you do you.
    Alright - give me a link and I'll potentially re-consider my reckless abandon. $70 for a rod seems a bit steep. You have poo poo'd my cheap alternative. It's objective is to be straight and the right diameter. You know?

    Thanks.

    https://www.griffinarmament.com/supp...ent-check-rod/

    $70.

    https://www.amazon.com/Accuracy-Solu.../dp/B09LLRWGH8

    $65.

    https://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-t...rod104864.aspx

    $70.

    You know guys used to just shine a light down the from the suppressor and if they didn't see the suppressor, baffles, etc. from within the barrel of the gun they considered it good.

    Meanwhile this genius out here...

    https://www.reddit.com/r/NFA/comment...d_data_points/

    Just use a laser boresight and some clear plastic on the end of the suppressor. Way easier than rods.

    Pro: You can also use the laser boresight for it's intended purpose to get your optics roughly sighted before heading to the range.
    I do already have one of these... I mean...
    God Bless,

    Brandon

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