Chip making in China canceled

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Maybe I missed it posted already, Biden Administration throws down the gauntlet in critical chip making in China and they dont have the expertise to develop technology.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/10/12...orts-decouple/

[BehindBlueI's]

Reminder: Thread is not in Politics. If you want to bitch about Joe, go to the correct section for it.

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Reminder: Thread is not in Politics. If you want to bitch about Joe, go to the correct section for it.

Thank you

[feudist]

That looks pretty dire for China asshoe.
I wonder if the .gov is just sick of the games they've continually played or if it's a recognition of the need to decouple our economies before theirs craters.
I saw this weekend that a lot of US execs in Chinese firms resigned immediately. With Xi becoming Emperor for Life and their continued failure to contain Covid, along with their demographic depopulation bomb that has exploded... things could get sporty quick.
I'm thinking about Japan when Roosevelt froze all their assets in 1940 and cut off their oil.
The response was Pearl Harbor.

[TheRoland]

I don't know what the outcome of this will be, but it's certainly a move in a direction that most of the right has to appreciate. Kinda wild there are still things that two sides might still agree on.

I saw this weekend that a lot of US execs in Chinese firms resigned immediately.

I think that's still a single source and shouldn't be considered confirmed. All of the articles about it that I've seen just referred back to that one guy as if repeating twitter is real reporting. Just looking at LinkedIn, I think it hasn't really sunk in yet, even if that's indeed what is about to happen.

[feudist]

I don't know what the outcome of this will be, but it's certainly a move in a direction that most of the right has to appreciate. Kinda wild there are still things that two sides might still agree on.




I think that's still a single source and shouldn't be considered confirmed. All of the articles about it that I've seen just referred back to that one guy as if repeating twitter is real reporting. Just looking at LinkedIn, I think it hasn't really sunk in yet, even if that's indeed what is about to happen.

This just dropped. It's bad.

[TGS]

That looks pretty dire for China asshoe.
I wonder if the .gov is just sick of the games they've continually played or if it's a recognition of the need to decouple our economies before theirs craters.

Likely both.

The amount of industrial espionage conducted by China is just astounding. You can't build a country on ripping off everyone else's R&D and ignoring patents and not expect there to be some consequences at some point.

Likewise, decoupling is really important. If they stopped letting their students study abroad here (or were unable to due to economic downturn), they would single handedly crash the American higher education industry overnight....and that's the real reason we keep issuing visas to Chinese students regardless of the vast majority of them conducting industrial espionage. Usually visa issuance can be leveraged as a foreign policy tool, but we shot ourselves in the foot with the CCP on that.

[TGS]

@Default.mp3 interested in your take.

[Caballoflaco]

Likely both.

The amount of industrial espionage conducted by China is just astounding. You can't build a country on ripping off everyone else's R&D and ignoring patents and not expect there to be some consequences at some point.

Likewise, decoupling is really important. If they stopped letting their students study abroad here (or were unable to due to economic downturn), they would single handedly crash the American higher education industry overnight....and that's the real reason we keep issuing visas to Chinese students regardless of the vast majority of them conducting industrial espionage. Usually visa issuance can be leveraged as a foreign policy tool, but we shot ourselves in the foot with the CCP on that.

Confucius Institute only teach Confucianism

[Chance]

Keith Alexander called the effects of Chinese espionage "The greatest transfer of wealth in history", at that was in 2012. It will take several decades for China to develop a domestic capacity, but they have the raw data and the talent, it's just a matter of if their economy / system can hold out long enough.

If they do manage to catch up, that'll be... problematic.