I'm not particularly muzzle averse, I've literally had dozens of pistols inadvertently pointed at me by students while coaching/correcting problems, but I still don't enjoy looking down a muzzle.
One night at a meeting of my local gun club I had to get up and move because the President of the club, who insisted on wearing a flight suit and drop leg holster with leg strap to meetings, was muzzling most of those in attendance as he chaired the meeting.
So, I'm kinda on the Fudd's side.
Adding nothing to the conversation since 2015....
Interesting responses. What you don’t see can’t hurt you?
If a holstered gun is on a table, any number of people are “swept” as they walk by. When you’re on the second floor of a building, the people below you are “swept” by your holstered gun. If you consider these violations of safe gun handling, I’m at a loss for how to address this.
When the trigger guard is covered securely by a holster, I consider the gun safe to be pointed in any direction.
Edit: if a particular firearm is at risk of firing from a holster, that is an entirely different problem.
“There is no growth in the comfort zone.”--Jocko Willink
"You can never have too many knives." --Joe Ambercrombie
IIRC Dave Lauck had the same issue...
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When I was deployed during OIF/OEF, horizontal shoulder holsters were quite popular for M9s. Even though carrying in Condition Three was required inside the wire, I spent a lot of time being uncomfortable in staff meetings and when in line at the mess hall and what passed for the PX. It wasn't a problem outside the wire because nobody wanted to re-adjust the straps to fit around their battle rattle, they just used the issued belt holster.
I wouldn't go that far, personally, but I don't freak out about muzzles of loaded guns covering things that wouldn't otherwise be covered, if they are in a good holster, and not being screwed around with. As Tamara like to say if its a "sub-$20 nylon sausage-sack" or "gun bucket"... I'd be a bit more concerned. Quality Kydex or leather, I'm meh. Full on Safariland retention holster = nearly zero fornications given. I suppose its a matter of acceptable risk.
Guns, generally, don't go off by themselves. They mostly seem to go off when someone is futzing with their pistol. Unless LL was futzing around on the line, I don't see the big deal. Some people are waaaaaay to stuck in square range mindset. Same folks probably wouldn't know how to conduct themselves on a "hot" range.
I think about this issue frequently at church. Often I shift a few degrees so that my pocket-carried (in a pocket holster with well-covered trigger guard) G43 isn't pointed at anyone.
I've taken one rifle class where I carried AIWB. I do not recommend it.
EDIT: I think the question to consider here is "what is best practice?" If we are going to carry pistols, they will inevitably cover items we don't wish to destroy. A properly designed and functioning pistol carried in a good holster that usually orients the pistol toward the ground represents "best practice." At least that's my opinion.
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