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    Push/Pull

    Does the push/pull technique only apply to shotguns?

    Would it works for AR's to keep them flat when shooting rapid fire string? 4 rounds per second in a 3X5 card for example?
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    Absolutely not.

    That would imply that physics is universal and doesn't change based on what weapon you are holding in your hand. Push/pull is just some silliness that only devotees of outdated concepts like a defensive shotgun bother with.

    It has no place anywhere else. Certainly not something that, say, elite SF units would use to run sub-machineguns in CQB applications or anything.

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    I detect sarcasm. (Even though I'm not through my morning coffee yet.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by TCinVA View Post
    Absolutely not.

    That would imply that physics is universal and doesn't change based on what weapon you are holding in your hand. Push/pull is just some silliness that only devotees of outdated concepts like a defensive shotgun bother with.

    It has no place anywhere else. Certainly not something that, say, elite SF units would use to run sub-machineguns in CQB applications or anything.
    Shhhh! You're giving away your secret knowledge!

    As @TCinVA told me, it definitely does not apply to, say, carbines, or even handguns.
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    The sarcasm is strong...
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    I learned it on shotguns, but I've used it for everything from ARs to MP5s to double rifles. It works a treat on, say, 7.62x39 AKs.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Guerrero View Post
    ...or even handguns.
    I think we've put that technique to rest?
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    Forgive the unintentional double post above...

    The first time I replied I didn't realize my site supporter status had run out and I needed to get "approval" for my post. But, when I paid, suddenly I was golden again.

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    I have yet to have an instructor mention push/pull in any carbine class.

    And I’ve taken several.

    That’s why I asked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Blackburn View Post
    Does the push/pull technique only apply to shotguns?

    Would it works for AR's to keep them flat when shooting rapid fire string? 4 rounds per second in a 3X5 card for example?
    Straight answer - yes.

    Stock into shoulder, matching forward pressure with support arm, recoil tends to 'die' between the hands. The forward pressure also aids in control of muzzle jump or vibration in rapid fire which is another form of recoil.

    During my subgun courses one of the first things attendees did was fire a 30-round burst on an ace of spades which was enlarged times four and centered on a sheet of typing paper. Firing at just three yards most students wouldn't hold all thirty on the paper. At the end of the course, after three days working on stance and the push pull technique nearly all students would keep the the thirty rounds on the card, even those shooting POS straight blow-back SMG's. For the most part those shooting the roller-delayed blow-back sweetness that is the MP5 would obliterate the spade in the center of the card.

    Push pull works.
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