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Thread: New 2011 red dot division

  1. #71
    Quote Originally Posted by Gio View Post
    I think they should just blow up the divisions and start from scratch at this point instead of trying to band-aid fix and accommodate new guns:

    Optics Major - Basically Open as it is, 170mm mags
    Optics Minor - Basically CO as it is but also allow SAO limited style guns, 140mm mags
    Irons Major - Basically limited as it is now, 140mm mags
    Irons Minor - Limited Minor, 140mm mags
    Low Cap - 10 round minor/8 round major, any gun currently allowed in limited goes - This is basically combining production, L10, and single stack

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    I can get behind that.

  2. #72
    140mm magazines in Optic Major, too.
    And PCC.
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  3. #73
    Quote Originally Posted by Gio View Post
    I think they should just blow up the divisions and start from scratch at this point instead of trying to band-aid fix and accommodate new guns:

    Optics Major - Basically Open as it is, 170mm mags
    Optics Minor - Basically CO as it is but also allow SAO limited style guns, 140mm mags
    Irons Major - Basically limited as it is now, 140mm mags
    Irons Minor - Limited Minor, 140mm mags
    Low Cap - 10 round minor/8 round major, any gun currently allowed in limited goes - This is basically combining production, L10, and single stack

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    Sooo 2011, 2011, 2011, 2011, 1911?

  4. #74
    Quote Originally Posted by jellydonut View Post
    Sooo 2011, 2011, 2011, 2011, 1911?
    Unless you believe the narrative that the 1911/2011 is unreliable and no one shoots it any better than anything else...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jellydonut View Post
    Sooo 2011, 2011, 2011, 2011, 1911?
    That would diminish my interest in USPSA for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jellydonut View Post
    Sooo 2011, 2011, 2011, 2011, 1911?
    I don't think it would work like that. As pointed out earlier in this thread, there was a limited nationals recently where the 3 of the top 4 finishers were using Canik, Sig, and Glock. My personal experience is the gun really doesn't matter within reason if it's reliable and accurate.

    https://practiscore.com/results/new/121099?q_division=1

    1. Sig
    2. 2011
    3. Glock
    4. Canik (shooting minor)
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    Quote Originally Posted by bofe954 View Post
    I could live with that. My only question would be whether a 10 round minor gun could compete with an 8 round major gun, or whether SS major would end up wrecking any hope of shooting a 9mm production type gun. I guess maybe those guns would really just end up in Irons Minor with big mags?
    If you look at locap nationals results from last year, there wasn't much difference in Single Stack Major and Production Minor in the overall scores. I think the differences are more match dependent depending on how the stages are setup than a hard and fast rule that 8 round major beats 10 round minor.

    https://practiscore.com/results/new/134571

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    170mm Shadow 2 mag.

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    For when they tell me I can join Super CO and run it cocked and locked from a race holster.
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  9. #79
    I've short legs so I'll probably be tripping over these mags when shooting from low ports.
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