If it were on the merits I’d agree.Originally Posted by DMF13
But the administrative procedures act issues here with publishing one rule for comment and then implementing a significantly different rule is pretty much a guaranteed loser.
If it were on the merits I’d agree.
But the administrative procedures act issues here with publishing one rule for comment and then implementing a significantly different rule is pretty much a guaranteed loser.
I.A.N.A.L., but, once properly registered as a legal SBR, and then stocked, (or not,) would it not remain a legal SBR? Unprocessed paperwork may leave some in a kind of limbo. (This is only academic, for me, because I decided that I wanted my DDM4 V7P to remain a legal handgun, rather than an NFA long gun. Texas law threw long guns under the bus, during the 2021 legislative session, so, I can legally carry a handgun more places than I can legally carry other types of firearms.)
Retar’d LE. Kinesthetic dufus.
Don’t tread on volcanos!
I know a few folks who took the free amnesty registration to register the weapons to themselves as an individual. Then they sorted out an NFA trust, and Form 4 transferred them to the trust for the $200 each it would have cost to Form 1 them normally anyway. That way they've got all of those weapons on a stamp-paid Form 4, no fuss no muss (hopefully).
Maybe, maybe not. I think we’re in uncharted territory here and anyone giving a definitive answer would just be guessing.
My posts only represent my personal opinion and do not necessarily reflect the opinions or official policies of any employer, past or present. Obvious spelling errors are likely the result of an iPhone keyboard.
Did they ever sort out the status of braced shotguns? IIRC they were part of the ban but weren’t eligible for a “free” stamp?
Nothing so needs reforming as other people's habits - Mark Twain
Tact is the knack of making a point without making an enemy / Where is the wisdom we have lost in knowledge?
If a brace isn’t being considered a stock… should be fine on a TAC-14 again.
Of course after I Form 1ed my TAC-14. But think stock is better.
Nothing to sort out.
The Tac-14 /shockwaves were never “pistols” they were / are “other firearms.”
Because / smoothbores.
It comes down to whether a brace is legally considered an “accessory” or a “stock.”
If a brace is an “accessory” as ATF previously ruled, then adding an “accessory” doesn’t change the status of the “other firearm.” Just like adding a sling or a light.
If a brace is a “stock” as ATF now argues, adding a stock to a smoothbore “other firearm” with a barrel < 18” changes it into a short barrel shotgun.
This just popped up in my email.
https://thenewamerican.com/us/court-...ol-brace-rule/
Not sure if it has been posted as I'm not following this.
If it has, disregard.
In the P-F basket of deplorables.
Ok, that's why they weren't eligible. I forgot they were "others" instead of pistols. Thanks!
Nothing so needs reforming as other people's habits - Mark Twain
Tact is the knack of making a point without making an enemy / Where is the wisdom we have lost in knowledge?
No, the law and ATF interpretation of it is really clear with lots of cases, letters, examples, etc - if an NFA firearm (SBR for example) is bought or restored into non-NFA configuration (a 16" barrel is affixed, stock is removed, etc), the firearm is now out of the purview of the NFA. So if you have an AR SBR and put a 16" upper on it, it is no longer an SBR, you no longer need to file any paperwork to take it to another state, you don't even need to file a form 4 to sell it...so long as it's not in NFA configuration. If you want to remove it from the NFA, you need to send a letter to the ATF asking them to strike it from the registry, which I would do, if I were planning on selling one of my SBRs...I'd file the paperwork, slap a 16" upper on it or remove the buttstock if it was originally sold as a pistol or "other", and sell it like a normal title 1 gun.
If you bought a CZ Scorpion as a pistol with a brace and filed paperwork to SBR it; if you remove the stock and re-install the brace, it's back to it's pistol configuration and no longer an SBR and you can do whatever with it that you would or could normally do with a pistol. Just don't have the stock with it, and if you do decide to bring the stock with it if you cross state lines, you should file a .20 just to cover your bases even if you don't plan on putting the stock on it again.
The only real irreversible change as far as I know is a machine gun; once a machine gun always a machine gun. That, and once a long gun/rifle, always a long gun/rifle; you can't convert it into a pistol. Anything else though (SBR, SBS, AOW); once it's restored to be out of it's NFA condition, it's good to go without needing NFA paperwork to follow it around.
Reply With Quote