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Thread: Book: On Killing by Lt. Col. Dave Grossman

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    I read it about two years ago. I found the premise fascinating until I learned that the study it was based on involved a lot of fudged statistics. I was also very put off by the anti-videogame ranting. Still, there were definitely some interesting chapters. Personally, I thought "On Combat" was a more interesting book because it dealt with a lot of the physiological issues involved and so far I haven't heard anything to debunk his claims in that one.

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    Ive read both, on killing and on combat, On killing has some good info on it.
    I think that on Combat is a good read, it at least gives you some insight into what Might happen to you if your involved in combat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Cunningham View Post
    David,

    This is the Mindset & Tactics forum, not the Romper Room. Let us know what you thought of the book and why.
    Ahh, well I use the "What's New" feature so I never actually notice the forum the topic is posted within. To me, It was like reading the script-pitch for a Faces of Death video. The last Ted Bundy interview he gave in 1989 before he was executed has more information to offer and it comes direct from the source.

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    I have a signed copy that I will send to the first person who PM's me. Kind of a Karma thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by statutorygrape View Post
    I read it about two years ago. I found the premise fascinating until I learned that the study it was based on involved a lot of fudged statistics. I was also very put off by the anti-videogame ranting. Still, there were definitely some interesting chapters. Personally, I thought "On Combat" was a more interesting book because it dealt with a lot of the physiological issues involved and so far I haven't heard anything to debunk his claims in that one.

    On Combat is a much better book, IMO. He's also a pretty motivational speaker, but reading On Combat is practically as good.

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    On Killing and On Combat were suggested reading for my Police Academy class, and I think worth it.
    I take some of his opinions on violent media with a grain of salt, not to mention the theories relying on SLA Marshall's research, but I think there are still valid points to be found.
    Too, when I was in college, the Sports Shooting Club advisor strongly recommended reading it, so the club members would be a little better able to recognize what to be on guard for in other members.

    On Combat is a much easier read, and more readily applicable to habitually-armed people (whether by profession or choice, doesn't matter), but I thought both were worth a read.

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    I think the violent videogame content does have some merit. I've watched other's kids (2-5 years old range) play these games and observed their reactions. At these ages children are developing morals and reasoning skills that they will carry with them all of their lives and I see that translated into the teenagers I work around on a dialy basis. I think to some extent Col. Grossman is correct, we are letting are kids develop asocial behavior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveK View Post
    I think the violent videogame content does have some merit. I've watched other's kids (2-5 years old range) play these games and observed their reactions. At these ages children are developing morals and reasoning skills that they will carry with them all of their lives and I see that translated into the teenagers I work around on a dialy basis. I think to some extent Col. Grossman is correct, we are letting are kids develop asocial behavior.
    Bullshit.
    Boy's have had violent imaginations since the dawn of time.
    Adults have bitched about the moral decay of our teens since the dawn of time.
    There have always been sociopaths among us since the dawn of time.

    The problem is we fail to isolate and remove our sociopaths from modern society.
    There are fewer consequences for bad behavior which leads to more blatant bad behavior.
    Lax parenting and an amoral societal structure are doing far more harm than video games.
    I blame lawyers.

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    I once saw an old PSA advertisement warning about the dangers posed to the youth by: Violent Radio Programs.

    Truth is, anti-Gamers have about as much personal familiarity with video games as the Brady bunch has with the shooting community.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JodyH View Post
    Bull.
    Boy's have had violent imaginations since the dawn of time.
    Adults have complained about the moral decay of our teens since the dawn of time.
    There have always been sociopaths among us since the dawn of time.

    The problem is we fail to isolate and remove our sociopaths from modern society.
    There are fewer consequences for bad behavior which leads to more blatant bad behavior.
    Lax parenting and an amoral societal structure are doing far more harm than video games.
    I blame lawyers.
    Purely out of curiosity, Would you let your child view a video of a conscious human being beheaded? Would you permit them to view XXX porn? If no please explain why not.
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