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    Quote Originally Posted by Stephanie B View Post
    There were a couple of times where I asked a bailiff to escort me to my car.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rob_s View Post
    Not even remotely.

    But thanks for disqualifying yourself for further engagement.
    Explain how it's not the same logic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Totem Polar View Post
    This thread continues to bring out some great points. I love this place, when itís firing on all 8 cylinders, as it is in this conversation.

    The gun is the most efficient SD/violence tool. The user is more important than the tool. You should try to have the best tool for the job, and since the job is life, your lifestyle absolutely affects which tool is ďbestĒ on a case-by-case basis.

    @Duke, I sure appreciate you opening up this conversation, and Iím grokking your points so far.


    To riff a bit on @45dotACPís concepts: if a VCA really, truly, has to worry about Totem Polar with a gun, the same dude still has to worry about Totem Polar without a gun.

    Lastly, age has its capability penalties. May we *all* get to the point where those taxes start to become due; itís a privilege denied to many.

    JMO.
    "There are no dangerous weapons, only dangerous people" Heinlein definitely Grokked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duke View Post
    Having had a DGUÖ.. and all the ancillary trouble along with it I feel, not to be rude, more qualified than most to determine my actual increase of security based on being armed or not at all times.

    Again Iím not trying to be rude. I donít know better than you. But I am willing to challenge my bias to make a choice not grounded in trauma/turmoil.

    Spouting off all the cliche gun guy stuff doesnít make a point as well as we feel like it does.

    At no time have I said or felt as if evil has magically vanished nor that it will never find its way to me again.

    What I did say - and I stand by it - you, me/we - if outside a war zone are no where near as likely to have to resort to offensive trigger pulling as we want to believe we are.

    Factually. Statistically it is not that relevant


    Iíd wager the most ridiculing this mindset dont have all their own household layers tightened up.

    Have you deeded your valuables to a trust to remove asset motivation of attack or litigation? Have you a detailed arrangement with your attorneys as to your protocol given a crisis ? Does your legal council have access to your home security cameras ? Do you have home security cameras, fences, a spare car, wallet, cash, credentials at your other home to fall back on should your primary residence be deemed unlivable or inaccessible?

    What about the basics ? Is your car at 1/4 a tank of fuel with mismatched tire pressure or expired date codes on the rubber ?

    What about your general health? Self defense is about your health right ? Howís your current performance as an athlete in terms of the scope of a capable person ?


    Again Iím not in any way trying to be rude. But a gun carrier 24/7 is never going to solve all these aspects.

    If you truly feel helpless without a gun , you probably are.
    This post is so full of tiger blood and win. Really would serve a lot of people better than worrying about what small 9mm comes out next, or which red dot to choose, or whatever.
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    On Lott's work: I will point out he does say that the people most likely to be carrying guns (older white dudes) are the least likely to be targeted for violent crime and the people least likely to be carrying guns (younger minority females) are the least likely to carry a gun. If the gun would matter, since most of those are victimized by people they know, is a different discussion but does point out a major flaw in his work. It is an academic work for policy makers and social conversations. It is as useless for threat analysis for any given individual as knowing the average global temperature when selecting what to wear to work in your front yard for the day.

    The dangerous people/dangerous weapons thing is catchy but takes it too far. "Dangerous weapons" give you more options, nothing more or less. In many instances the gun may not be a needed, or even useful, option. In others it very much is the only option. The 'food court hero' displays that. It's beyond intelligent debate that, regardless of how dangerous that young man turned out to be, his chances of prevailing were greatly increased due to his dangerous weapon. He was able to intervene sooner and from a greater distance due to having a projectile weapon and had he just been a 'dangerous person' more people would have died before he could intervene and his chances of successful intervention would plummet? Or that a careless fool carrying a pistol is not more dangerous for having it? Shooting your dick off is a danger, after all, and people accidentally shoot themselves and each other with a regularity I once would have found shocking.

    I can't fault Duke's risk/reward calculation. I have actually found it interesting to see the barriers he finds and being grateful so few apply to me. I am expected to be armed, I have solid legal backup, I live in a state that shields me from civil liability if I'm not criminally charged (which would be more absolute were I not sworn LE), I don't find it burdensome to carry, etc. The only time I have to decide if I'm going to carry or not is during travel and while going in water. I'm not quite paranoid enough to have a waterproof NAA in one of those water-park cell phone totes while I'm swimming yet.
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    @Duke.

    Dude, you are one o my heros. We have conversed a bit.Your decision is yours, and I am a bit proud of you for it. When I can't carry, I don't sweat it. When I can I do. I will continue to carry off duty,and you would not believe the number of shitheads I am professionally acquainted with that I see quite a bit off duty. One dude, who bit me two years ago,, requiring a bunch of crappy meds to prevent infection lives three blocks from my home,, The threat is minor, but still there. Your choice is not mine, and I don't judge you because of it. If you get killed, though, I will be pissed. But you have to live your life and do what you need to do.
    you are one of the best shooters I have watched.. Based on my experience, I would make diffent decisions, buy you are a better shot than I, so I ain't got room to talk. When I can't be armed, I am OK with that. My gat ain't part of my masculinity.

    When I can be, I am. When I can't be. I ain't. And I don't worry about it. If shit goes down, I either will be up to the task, or I won't be. Equipment will probably not be the deciding factor. Mindset and willingness will be. There are SOOO many places, I can't carry (or choose not to) that I expect to find "problems".
    That I have to consider...things, The ability to not be armed will not, for instance, keep me from going to the Wierd AL Yankovic concert in Santa Fe nextmonth... Priorities. Life should be what I want it to be, but likely won't be, and I can accept and adapt, or not...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thy.Will.Be.Done View Post
    Explain how it's not the same logic?
    If I have to explain itÖ

    But then, you were also the seatbelt guy, soÖ
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    Quote Originally Posted by rob_s View Post
    If I have to explain itÖ

    But then, you were also the seatbelt guy, soÖ
    You don't have to explain it but your argument means absolutely nothing if you can't explain why.

  9. #189
    Quote Originally Posted by Duke View Post
    Alertness, avoidance and de-escalated aggression is better than shooting.
    And not starting a kitchen fire is much better than having to reach for your fire extinguisher.

    And not getting in a car accident is much better than hoping the seatbelt/airbag system works.

    This completely ignores the fact that some people are just beyond anything you might avoid or de-escalate. One cannot remain perfectly alert 24/7 or predict the future, this is completely ridiculous... if that were the case nobody would need a gun because everybody could just 'see' it coming and just not be there. Sometimes shit just follows you home and ambushes, homie. Have you ever been hunting before? Isn't it incredible that wild deer in a place like Michigan are one of the most difficult to kill animals on earth (because they are so sneaky, careful and alert) yet thousands of people are successful killing them up close in the woods every year. They do their absolute best to avoid these traps and they are quite smart but the odds are truly not on their side. I've had deer come within a few feet of me because of an excellent hiding spot and be completely clueless to my presence. How can you explain this? I would say almost with certainty they are far more alert than you are at detecting human presence for the most part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UNM1136 View Post
    @Duke.

    Dude, you are one o my heros. We have conversed a bit.Your decision is yours, and I am a bit proud of you for it. When I can't carry, I don't sweat it. When I can I do. I will continue to carry off duty,and you would not believe the number of shitheads I am professionally acquainted with that I see quite a bit off duty. One dude, who bit me two years ago,, requiring a bunch of crappy meds to prevent infection lives three blocks from my home,, The threat is minor, but still there. Your choice is not mine, and I don't judge you because of it. If you get killed, though, I will be pissed. But you have to live your life and do what you need to do.
    you are one of the best shooters I have watched.. Based on my experience, I would make diffent decisions, buy you are a better shot than I, so I ain't got room to talk. When I can't be armed, I am OK with that. My gat ain't part of my masculinity.

    When I can be, I am. When I can't be. I ain't. And I don't worry about it. If shit goes down, I either will be up to the task, or I won't be. Equipment will probably not be the deciding factor. Mindset and willingness will be. There are SOOO many places, I can't carry (or choose not to) that I expect to find "problems".
    That I have to consider...things, The ability to not be armed will not, for instance, keep me from going to the Wierd AL Yankovic concert in Santa Fe nextmonth... Priorities. Life should be what I want it to be, but likely won't be, and I can accept and adapt, or not...

    pat
    Indeed. Iím at a concert at the Amphitheater right now. No gun allowed. I probably could have snuck one in but I didnít want to go through the effort and risk causing a scene.
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