I agree. One thing about Glock is you can buy an aftermarket slide for about what the milling costs.
I was in this quandary when recently building up my first serious RDO pistol. I wanted the SRO because I wanted the RDO learning curve to be as easy as possible. The CORE system doesn't seem to be working out as well as the MOS system, so I wanted to avoid plates, and the CORE guns are more expensive, so I bought one of the simple guns and spent $150 getting it milled. As far as being future proof, I did this with the SRO/RMR footprint, I gotta think there is going to be suitable optic out there that could land there for a long time.
I had no idea that this thread was about an bootleg Stack aka Apex'd M&P. This is my fav setup and part of a group of 7 guns I own which I deem, "Guns I can't miss with even if I tried to" or...
"Even if I miss i can't miss"
My Apex M&P is in good company with guns ranging from $1100 (USP Expert 45) upwards to $2800 (Ed Brown Kobra Carry 45). The 3 in the group below the $1100 mark are the G17L with Timney, the PDP 5", and my M&P.
Sure it takes a $200 barrel (that you fit) along with an optional trigger. But is it worth it? IMO yes, yes, good God yes.
Can't comment on a Staccato since I don't own one (yet) or a DWX (which is next on the list) but what I can say is the Apex M&P is the platform I am the most precise in and have the most confidence in. The flat trigger has the Duty spring kit (not the FSS as i originally thought) so it's a PPQ/PDP-like trigger but with a slightly heavier break (still super crisp with no overtravel) and a shorter take-up.
20 yards w/ 124gr STV 9mm
Now I am interested in a M&P 2.0 Metal. Have they fixed the early unlocking issue or would I need an Apex Barrel for the precision and an Apex Trigger to achieve these results out of the box?
Last edited by coN; 01-27-2023 at 03:44 PM.
Chalk up another fan of your posts in this thread.
Recently I retook a class from a local instructor. I've been through his classes several times but it had been awhile since I've been there or anywhere shooting anything other than Glocks in GSSF matches or attempting to stay somewhat proficient with a G17 airsoft on scaled targets. To this class I took my Gen 1.0 M&P 9. After shooting the Glocks for over a year and just playing around with a CZ P10C, shooting the M&P again was like being with your old high school girlfriend when all things in life were good. I was reminded instantly why I have 4 variants (used to be 5) of the 1.0 M&P in my safe.
This thread has reminded me of what I had forgotten. I'm grabbing a 2.0 and going the APEX route. Now only to decide if I want a M&P Compact 3.6" or 4" and whether I need to stop at the trigger or go all the way with a barrel too. Probably the latter but this thread and that recent class has cemented the decision.
Question to all:
I was seeing one of the slide milling houses stating that if you sent in a M&P 1.0 slide for milling they would just ship it right back. Any ideas on why? I wasn't under the impression that they were all that different from 2.0 slides. Machining tolerances maybe? If I'm going down this road I think I want a direct mill and nitride unless the factory optic ready cut is good enough. My impression is that it's sub optimal.
Yes, they offer 2 options AFAIK: the semi drop-in or the full oversized GS barrel that requires a gunsmith to precisely fit it to your M&P. The semi drop-in still requires some filing and Apex sells a jig to help with the process. Ive done it with my 4.25" shown and a 5" peanut butter model. Took awhile to get the barrels to fit, NGL but man was it worth it. Sidenote: I have a Timney Alpha trigger in the 5" model after my experience with the Glock Timney, but im sure if i were to swap to an Apex flatty I would get results close (or as good if not better) to my 4.25".
*BUT* to be fair, it takes $300+ more (barrel & trigger) to get that performance. For the price to jump into it, is it a hell of a value simply for the *HUGE* leap in performance. I am pleased with what I can do with a pistol that cost total (for me) $750 after parts. The closest thing ive come across out of the box is a PDP ($600) but in my hands as well as others, it cant catch my M&P in the repeatable precision dept despite a slightly heavier break on the trigger. I cannot fathom the results coming from a quality gunsmith fitting the GS Apex barrel and a much better shooter than I.
When all is said and done, the Apex stuff makes the M&P punch waaaaaaaaay above its weight class IMO. Its a testament to Randy Lee's accomplishments.
Last edited by coN; 01-27-2023 at 10:34 PM.
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SMITH AND WESSON M&P M2.0 9MM 4.25" BARREL 17-ROUNDS 5 MAGS W/ BAG (w/thumb safety). $599. Nice deal, especially with S&W’s $100 rebate.
I think I saw better deals elsewhere through gun.deals.
David S.
The 40 as well. IIRC the officer in the article was 100 yards out on horseback or holding a horse.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/austin-co...-crazed-gunman