What would your birthing person say…Originally Posted by JHC
There is just as much to be concerned about on the left.
What would your birthing person say…
There is just as much to be concerned about on the left.
Well, do keep in mind that the standards are already set by each individual state. Maybe in 2022 there's some states out there that don't (I can't think of any), but a state standard for police education and training is the norm. In general, a police officer working for Mayberry is still going to have to meet a state mandated standard, and that officer is usually attending a regional police academy built to that state mandated standard with recruits from all the other towns and sheriff's departments in the area who aren't large enough to afford their own academy....or, more commonly, staff their own individual classes/curriculum at a shared academy campus.
Where things fall apart is that most state standards are pretty weak and tailored to poor police departments in the state with little in the way of tax revenue who can't afford anything and run off federal grants as-is just to exist. This is why some agencies will have higher standards that exceed the state mandated minimum....funny enough, usually the state police agencies, since they're able to leverage a wider tax base as well as a wider applicant pool that they can typically be more selective with.
All the benefits I see with a county run service (or in the case of foreign countries, state/provincial run services) are 1) efficiency to include lower costs in personnel staffing, infrastructure and logistics, 2) More stable tax bases, 3) force of economy, such as being able to shift manpower seamlessly, whether it be for callouts, riots, or a crime suppression surge.
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You just watch yourself mister.yeah but not a WHOLE state! Well, outside of MS and WV maybe.I'll get back to other points in a bit.
Just because our largest metro city has the highest per capita homicide rate, lives under a constant boil water notice, and has a mayor/city council that can't even figure out how to pick up the trash, doesn't mean you can lump the rest of the state in with them.
Thought exercise:
Answer to yourself...
What's you local sheriff's name?
What's the name of your primary state law enforcement agency?
I'm willing to wager that more people know the name of their sheriff than know the name of their state guy.
I had an ER nurse in a class. I noticed she kept taking all head shots. Her response when asked why, "'I've seen too many people who have been shot in the chest putting up a fight in the ER." Point taken.
The small departments *generally* don't pay enough to attract the competent and experienced, although certain wealthy bedroom communities are exceptions. The guys leaving Big City PD locally who aren't going Fed are going to Medium City PD. Places with 40-ish to 100-ish sworn that can afford to pay a comparable benefit/pay package but not have as much stifling bureaucracy. Locally, they also tend to have better and newer equipment for road officers, but will lack resources for detectives. No in house crime lab, no federal liasons embedded with the toys they bring, etc.
Some have thrived, others have learned that those departments have their own issues. If you don't get along with supervisor X on Big City PD, you can probably transfer or wait it out. Hard to remove yourself when there's only 40 officers. There's a lot more opportunity for movement, specialized assignments, etc. if you want to be a detective, full time SWAT, etc. it's obviously easier on BCPD. The flip side is if you're a road officer you are very much *just* a first responder for most of your shift. You can run your own little projects and investigations but you'll spend most of your time humping runs. I never actually wrote a search warrant, other than filling out a template for blood draws for DUI, until I was a detective as an example. A slower pace at a smaller department and fewer detectives, probably no dedicated evidence techs, etc. means you'll be doing much more of your own investigatory work and can see more of your initial field investigations through to final disposition yourself. Assuming you're full time, remember a lot of small departments are heavily staffed with part-timers. Some of those may be officers elsewhere working a second job, but that's a rarity and it's usually positions like training sergeants or assistant chief sorts of positions than road officer.
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I don't doubt your experience, but mine is the exact opposite. I've not seen a 'promotion via sufficient political donation' scheme on a PD. $5k to buy stripes, assuming your guy wins, is a good investment given the pay hike. I've never been told to unarrest a major donor on the PD. Never had to pay attention to a 'possee' card for special people with a PD. Sheriff's departments seem much more likely to accept dollars for head turning to me, because sheriff is a high paying job (in my state sheriffs get a percentage of commissary sales and one particular sheriff was closing in on half a million dollars a year in personal salary as a result) and political campaigning costs money.
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Given the Bivens decision it is inearly impossible to hold a Federal officer accountable for a civil rights violation. Therefore, I am against a national police force.
While the state sets the standards, standards vary based on what tier an officer you are in my state. The training I have is state approved, but so is a special deputy working a jail, and they are not close to the same program.
You can be a police officer/deputy with a 40 hour pe-basic and work a year before ever attending the full academy.
Small towns can use the Town Marshal program, which is abbreviated.
Special Police (park rangers, for example) have lower training requirements.
Business Specials (a certain type of deputy who only has police powers while working at a given facility, basically security guards sponsored by a sheriff but paid by a business) have different standards.
Then there's the speciality agencies like Gaming Police (work casinos) that get a basic block but then get their own speciality based training. They don't get trained on traffic stops or the like because they don't do them. Same reason I don't get trained in alcohol/tobacco laws because Excise does that and I don't.
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In my experience the states do set the standard but the POST/TCOLE etc standard are the bare minimum and the bigger and /or better agencies far exceed the state standards.
In my area are local big city PD probably has the best standards and training. Followed by our sheriffs office which generally exceeds state standards. Smaller agencies are a bell curve ranging from barely meeting the minimum state standards to squared away departments that shoot every month and invest heavily in their people etc.
DPS is very competent but …. Different. In someways they are more paramilitary than other police agencies but in general they are just different. The best description is: there is the right way, the wrong way, and the DPS way.
I will say that in rural areas I’ve generally had better experiences with county sheriffs offices versus small town Police Departments.
Texas has one minimum standard for all Peace Officers and another for jailers. Locally it’s not uncommon for jailers to continue and get their peace officer license the most do it to be able to work off duty jobs while they continue working at the jail.
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