My suggestion is to leave the BUIS off for the first month or so and go cold turkey in learning to find the dot.
My suggestion is to leave the BUIS off for the first month or so and go cold turkey in learning to find the dot.
Likes pretty much everything in every caliber.
Agree. I’ve never found a chamber laser that was accurate enough to make me want to count on it for training.
The only use for chamber laser systems (IMO) is when trying to train retention shots and other positions where you can’t physically see through the window.
@dogcaller regarding the Max Michel patreon program:
The program is designed for dot shooters in the mechanics of the draws and transitions.
Part of the discrepancy of what you’ll hear from various random shooters is because what works very well for excellent dot shooters (early up and straight-ish press out with early dot pick up) works very well when using irons… but many good iron draws don’t work with dots because of the need to get up early with dots but not with irons because you can start orienting with irons even when off plane if that makes sense.
I’m not sure if I explained that well so let me know and I can make a short video.
So the Max program will work for irons too, but it definitely works with dots which is key.
He also talks about dot sight pictures, intensity, zeroing, equipment, etc so everything is done with that context.
The drop from 12 is critical as acquiring the dot can be tough when your shooting unconventional positions. Shoot 9 hole in full gear after running 100 yards. Room entries moving one handed. The drop ensures that the dot comes into focus reliably. It was taught to me by a pretty established instructor and really helped me find the dot when shooting more unconventional shooting positions. Not something I need to do with irons.
The laser just ensures proper control throughout the pull. It’s not for long distance. Set it and 10 feet, and work on drawing from concealment for speed/moving and shooting etc. it’s a great tool.
https://youtu.be/icYacDHBeJ0
Go to 3:45 on this Tier 1 video to see the “drop from 12” concept explained. I’ve never taken a class where it’s not taught.
Last edited by Triarii; 07-07-2022 at 10:19 AM.
Lasers make dry practice fun and without question improves your skills. You get immediate feedback in regards to accuracy and speed. As far as getting dot feedback as well, that absolutely still takes place. You know when your fundamentals break down, the laser just confirms it. Major LE units are now issuing them to recruits. Helped me tremendously.
Listen to what you’re saying.
Like I said, it’s a crutch for people in intermediate stages of development.
It’s not whether it helps or not.
It’s whether you’re better served getting a solid index that’s mechanically sound in ergonomics that you can hit with your eyes closed and not dependent on the dot at all.
You’re training an index that’s reliant on the dot.
Rather than an index that stands on its own.
If you want an idea of how much your crutch hurts you, take this drill.
Take you and someone who draws to index without dot drop.
Hand your guns to someone who has the option of turning your dot off or on. You don’t know and you can’t check before you holster.
Draw and put a round on target at 7 yards.
I will wager that the person who isn’t you will recognize their dot is off sooner and break the shot when they know they’re on target without relying on dot.
Any experienced competition dot shooter can give you an example of when they forgot to turn their dot on and still completed the drill or stage with it off… and didn’t do too far off of how they would normally.
Dot dropping is like recommending finding the dot from your irons.