The “I need a .45 but do I need a 1911?” thread

[JTQ]

Re-routing from other thread

Unless someone has very large hands, or is absolutely committed to Glock, I also think the M&P would probably be a better polymer .45 than a G21.

The actual Hilton Yam article seems to be gone from the internet now, but he is quoted here...

edit to add: had to change this link too

https://www.military.com/kitup/2013/...nce-glock.html

If we were comparing the Glock 21 to the M&P 45, then let’s just stop here and declare the M&P .45 the winner and move on. Superior ergonomics by far, good accuracy, and availability of thumb safety to help transition 1911 shooters make the M&P 45 the clear winner in my opinion. Add a viable and reliable factory 14 round magazine, and you pretty much have the whole package wrapped up with a bow.

[JTQ]

Of course most long time 1911 users have probably read this article from the late Pat Rogers

edit to add: must have got lost in the copy/paste effort

here it is https://www.swatmag.com/article/putt...n-the-man-gun/

[sharps54]

Of course most long time 1911 users have probably read this article from the late Pat Rogers

"Putting Down the Man Gun" https://www.swatmag.com/article/putt...n-the-man-gun/

Sadly comes up as 404 not found now, at least for me.

[OlongJohnson]

Of course most long time 1911 users have probably read this article from the late Pat Rogers

"Putting Down the Man Gun" https://www.swatmag.com/article/putt...n-the-man-gun/

As I wanted a manageable trigger, this excluded single-action/double-action or double-action-only pistols.

To my way of thinking, those SA/DA pistols are abominations. Building in a bad trigger only takes away our ability to hit, and while they can be managed, they also require a lot more training as well as more ammunition to bring people up to a level of acceptable competence.

Are we allowed a "Harrumph?"

[HeavyDuty]

Sadly comes up as 404 not found now, at least for me.

https://www.swatmag.com/article/putt...n-the-man-gun/

[sharps54]

It isn’t so much a need to have a .45 as a want to have one.

[El Cid]

I love the 1911. I grew up learning on one. I also think every American should own one. But in today’s world I don’t feel comfortable out in public with a single stack anything. That rules out the P220. Although I don’t think I could trust a late model production Sig anyway. When I was still military my summer gun for CCL purposes was a USP45C. Great gun and allowed cocked and locked. But again…. 8+1.

I carried a Glock 21 Gen 3 on duty for several years and it was a great weapon. After a good friend let me shoot his G21 Gen 4 I was hooked. I legitimately thought he had reduced power hand loads in it, but it was factory 230gr ball. If I went back to 45 as a carry gun it would be my G21 Gen4 without question. I’m sure the HK45 is a great option. And @GJM almost convinced me to get a USP45 Expert with his bear gun thread. But the Glock is a no-brainer for me. Simple and proven. And I’ve been carrying and competing with Glocks for over 16 years now.

[No.6]

See https://pistol-forum.com/showthread....duration-usage

It's not the only option -- you could find an old 8045 (but not mine).

[OlongJohnson]

And @GJM almost convinced me to get a USP45 Expert with his bear gun thread.

It was discussed that the fitted barrels of the Elite, Expert, and Tactical may make them slightly less robust in operation where foreign material/dust/debris is a potential issue. They all use the O-ring to center the muzzle, and the barrel hoods are fit to the slides for lockup, so all those clearances are more subject to interference. For a maximally reliable USP .45 in the field, get the moo-cow-fU(& standard version.

[RevolverRob]

All non-1911 .45 discussions begin and end at the HK45C/HK45CT with an LEM.