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Thread: RFI: what training can I get to aid me in restraining disturbed young adults

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    BJJ is fantastic for the context you are describing. There is a saying, “position before submission”. You maintain the position through control, which is exactly what BJJ teaches. You will definitely want to do no-Gi in addition to Gi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 45dotACP View Post
    Maybe ask your local hospital who trains the nurses on the psych unit. I think the psych nurses call it CPI or something, but it's about soft takedowns and restraints.

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    When I worked at a psych hospital, we went through very specific hands-on training for restraining patients. Didn’t always keep one from getting hurt when they had an episode, but we worked very hard to protect them when restraining them.

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    BJJ would work. Gi, no gi, it doesn’t really matter for this.

    BUT, I would be very cautious using anything at work that wasn’t covered in a work provided training, and I would not let anyone at the office know I was into BJJ. The higher ups care about protecting the company from lawsuits, they don’t care about you until after you’ve already sustained an injury that they’re on the hook for. Even then, they don’t really care about you, but they care about the $ impact related to you and what that means for them.

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    BJJ would work. Gi, no gi, it doesn’t really matter for this. .
    It actually does matter, as a lot of guys who train only in the Gi become dependent on Gi grips. It is good to train both, but no gi forces you to use the grips that work without use of the Gi, (e.g. 2 on 1, Kimura grip, etc). Obviously, only use techniques that are allowed by policy and law.

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    I'm fairly certain that @03RN does that stuff for a living.

    He's also a beast in the weight lifting category. Regardless of technique or methodology selected I'm certain an intense level of strength and conditioning will allow it to be more effective. Even if "soft" is the goal.

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    You are not doing combatives. You are trying to keep these kids from hurting themselves if the rooms already cleared.

    I do have a background in a few different h2h systems but if a camera catches you doing anything but what your trained in through the district them you will be held liable.

    Best advice is to hold on as tight as you and your partner can. If you're on their right side. Then use your right hand on their wrist and your left hand under their armpit. You 2 can guide them where you want. The tighter you hold the better. Don't loosen untill you have a plan. Keep your body in tight and when they bite, feed it. That means push into it.

    Ideally you would have more than 2 but I've held big strong patients with one other person for 30+ minutes when we couldn't get a restraining device or meds at the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 03RN View Post
    You are not doing combatives. You are trying to keep these kids from hurting themselves if the rooms already cleared.

    I do have a background in a few different h2h systems but if a camera catches you doing anything but what your trained in through the district them you will be held liable.

    Best advice is to hold on as tight as you and your partner can. If you're on their right side. Then use your right hand on their wrist and your left hand under their armpit. You 2 can guide them where you want. The tighter you hold the better. Don't loosen untill you have a plan. Keep your body in tight and when they bite, feed it. That means push into it.

    Ideally you would have more than 2 but I've held big strong patients with one other person for 30+ minutes when we couldn't get a restraining device or meds at the time.
    +1 to hold tight, stay tight. Don’t give the kid room to move or get momentum.

    We had two big, strong guys doing proper holds (in compliance with training) on a thin young (13 or 14yo) woman’s arms - right side guy had her wrist and arm, left side guy a mirror. They started moving her to a different room and didn’t stay tight. She ended up flipping her feet up in the air in front of her hard enough to do a back flip. Left side guy either felt her going and released, or lost his hold. Right side guy clamped down. She got a spiral fracture of her right humerus and cracked one or both bones in the forearm.

    If they’d both stayed in tight to her body and had their hand up in the armpit, it would likely have not happened (though she’d have probably screamed obscenities in their ears and accused them of groping her). I held and escorted multiple stronger patients in similar situations, alone or with a partner, and never injured someone. I only ever got hurt when someone hit me with a chair as I moved in to take a hold (I’m not counting geriatric attempts to pinch, punch, or bite).

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    Quote Originally Posted by 45dotACP View Post
    A BJJ coach would be a useful person to help you figure out a system.

    In truth, it sounds to me like wrestling would probably prove a better base on which to build.

    Insofar as point A is a person standing and point B is the person on the ground and being controlled, wrestling has always sort of been that answer.

    It has some gaps in it's curriculum such as "How do I end this fight" but the answer to your situation seems to be different than the standard reaponse of applying a crippling submission, strangling then unconscious or using some hard ground and pound....so a wrestling base seems like a terrific idea actually.

    Might need some tweaks though.

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    I wish I had a high school wrestling career at this point.

    Lord knows I could use some BJJ in general, but I'm apprehensive about training to respond quite so aggressively to situations. I'm *pulling my punches,* as it were now. My little bit of combatives training was very focused on "incapacitate as quickly as you can, make every block a counterstrike, etc."

    Luckily, I'm about 1000% better at using *communication* to defuse situations with disturbed students than I was 2 years ago. And I've been told I have a "commanding" voice (by a black man, our principal, who does some preaching) recently. That's a new thing for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitch View Post
    BJJ would work. Gi, no gi, it doesn’t really matter for this.

    BUT, I would be very cautious using anything at work that wasn’t covered in a work provided training, and I would not let anyone at the office know I was into BJJ. The higher ups care about protecting the company from lawsuits, they don’t care about you until after you’ve already sustained an injury that they’re on the hook for. Even then, they don’t really care about you, but they care about the $ impact related to you and what that means for them.
    Yup, it's CYA all around.

    My principal has stated this to me in a one-on-one conversation, in regards to our training on this.

    "It's there so I can say everyone was trained if something goes wrong..."

    My lack of trust on this issue was a major motivator in making the post here.

    If I do a damn thing outside the offical techniques, I would assume I will be thrown right under that proverbial bus if it becomes an issue. No doubt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cory View Post
    I'm fairly certain that @03RN does that stuff for a living.

    He's also a beast in the weight lifting category. Regardless of technique or methodology selected I'm certain an intense level of strength and conditioning will allow it to be more effective. Even if "soft" is the goal.
    Having used my sheer size and strength in dealing with small humans, I'm gonna say I'm glad I'm fairly strong. It always helps. It's never a liability. Strength can mean you can actually be more gentle, if that makes any sense.

    There's a reason big guys get hired as aides/orderlies in EC classrooms and psychiatric hospitals.
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