Active Shooter Uvalde TX Elementary School

[BWT]

I might be out of place posting this but the Greenwood Mall illustrates my point about concealed carry perfectly.

Did the guy make some outstanding shots at 40 yards? Yes.

Did he have a choice? I don’t know that he did. He was pushing family members to the ground and rested his gun/arms against something.

https://policetribune.com/concealed-...40-yards-away/

Could he have hesitated? Could he have done something different? Very much so.

“She said she had that sick feeling like look behind her or beside her and he [the mall shooter] was walking out behind her and she said, ‘Grandma I seen a long gun’ and then all of a sudden Eli told her get down and pushed her and she said it went from there,” the grandmother recalled.

Shay told her grandmother that she hit behind a kiosk and her boyfriend stopped the suspect with seconds.

Chief Ison said the 22-year-old good Samaritan pulled out his legally-owned pistol, steadied himself on a pole, and fired 10 rounds at Sapirman from 40 yards away, WTHR reported.

The suspect tried to flee back into the bathroom but dropped to the flood before he could escape.

But it sounds like he told his girlfriend to get down, braced, and started shooting.

Not much of a decision to make in that situation the way this reads.

[Glenn E. Meyer]

Does anyone know the actual number of shots fired and hits plus locations of those that retired officer Salter made in the TOPS incident?

[HCM]

This illustrates another aspect of the culture in South Texas.


https://www.expressnews.com/news/art...n-17320171.php

'No right to judge my son': Uvalde shooter's mom caught in heated exchange with victim's family

A fiery exchange between family members of one of the children killed in the Uvalde mass shooting and the gunman's mother was captured on video by Telemundo.

According to reports, the Spanish-language TV station caught the encounter after a community meeting in Uvalde on Tuesday night. The video shows the gunman's mother, Adriana Martinez, crossing paths with the family of 10-year-old Amerie Jo Garza, one of the 19 children who were killed in the May 24 massacre.

According to Telemundo, Martinez was walking down a road when a black SUV with family members of Amerie's inside pulled up alongside her. They then exit the vehicle and confront her.

During the confrontation on Tuesday, she said her son "was a coward."

"You don’t think I don’t know that? I know," she could be heard saying. "You don’t think I’m carrying all that with me? ... I know, and I’m sorry.”

Amerie's family told Martinez that she shared just as much blame as her son for his actions on that day.

"He killed 21 people because he was pissed off at you? Because you destroyed him? What reason did he have?" one woman could be heard yelling in the Telemundo video.

"He killed 21 people because he was pissed off at you? Because you destroyed him? What reason did he have?" one woman could be heard yelling in the Telemundo video.

The video.

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CgQiAfA..._web_copy_link

[LittleLebowski]

You are talking two different animals when you discuss IEP and special needs kids (who would have an IEP) in conjunction with behaviorally disruptive kids.

MY wife was a SPED/Visually Impaired specialist for around twenty years. In her district, kids that needed accommodations beyond special materials had a paraprofessional, most of the time, not always, but most of the time.

Mainstreaming such kids is usually good for everyone in the class, it teaches most of the kids empathy, and concern. They learn to watch out for their less able-bodied/minded friends.

Disruptive students were either sent to another specialized attendance center for SPED kids with that problem, or alternative school.

Granted, there are disruptions, 12 - 18 year-old girls get in fights over boys, etc.

That being said, if your sister's district is putting violently disruptive kids in classrooms to 'mainstream' them, they are doing it wrong.

(sorry for contribution to thread drift - forgot what thread I was posting in)

Spot fucking on. Shuttering these kids aside hurts them and society. They’re humans and they can be mainstreamed and part of society.

[TGS]

I never thought the conversation was about special needs kids who have physical impairments, learning disabilities, or are developmentally delayed. I don't think anyone has suggested they should be shuttered away.

I thought we were talking about kids who are psychopaths, in which case I'd say we have around 2 decades of proof that our current system of mainstreaming psychopaths is failing.

[Shotgun]

It has been reported that the school principal has been put on paid leave. Reportedly, the principal knew of some of the security problems and failed to correct.

[DDTSGM]

I never thought the conversation was about special needs kids who have physical impairments, learning disabilities, or are developmentally delayed. I don't think anyone has suggested they should be shuttered away.

I thought we were talking about kids who are psychopaths, in which case I'd say we have around 2 decades of proof that our current system of mainstreaming psychopaths is failing.

Yeah, we drifted away from that.

[DDTSGM]

It has been reported that the school principal has been put on paid leave. Reportedly, the principal knew of some of the security problems and failed to correct.

I'm not being a smartass, quit the contrary, she's done and so are many of the folks involved in this horrific event.

None of them are evil, they just made mistakes of omission (apparently in her case) or did not rise to the occasion (many of the officers).

The psychological impact of this event on ALL the folks involved will be impacting this community for a long while.

I can only think of one thing worse than losing a child, and that would be to feel responsible for the loss of that child. Unless these folks are psychopaths, there will be more than enough of that going around.

They should bulldoze the school, build a memorial and build a better, safer, school in another location. I think in such cases the feds should use our money to do so.

May God be with them all.

[medmo]

I'm not being a smartass, quit the contrary, she's done and so are many of the folks involved in this horrific event.

None of them are evil, they just made mistakes of omission (apparently in her case) or did not rise to the occasion (many of the officers).

The psychological impact of this event on ALL the folks involved will be impacting this community for a long while.

I can only think of one thing worse than losing a child, and that would be to feel responsible for the loss of that child. Unless these folks are psychopaths, there will be more than enough of that going around.

They should bulldoze the school, build a memorial and build a better, safer, school in another location. I think in such cases the feds should use our money to do so.

May God be with them all.

I don't mean to be controversial but I say keep the school and use it as a school. Bulldoze it, and make it a memorial that most everyone will forget about soon afterwards? No. Keep the current school and maybe it will be a reminder every year to the staff and leadership to maintain focus on what is important and the consequences of making mistakes. Keep it as living memorial to honor all who perished so unnecessarily there.

[Bigguy]

I don't mean to be controversial but I say keep the school and use it as a school. Bulldoze it, and make it a memorial that most everyone will forget about soon afterwards? No. Keep the current school and maybe it will be a reminder every year to the staff and leadership to maintain focus on what is important and the consequences of making mistakes. Keep it as living memorial to honor all who perished so unnecessarily there.

I don't know how expensive it would be, but memorial busts of each of the victims down the main entrance hall would make a heck of a statement. At least photos.