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About 25% we’re former or current Res/NG.
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https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-uva...206409?mod=mhp
The Uvalde Police Scandal
Students inside were calling 911 and begging for help. The officers stayed outside for almost an hour during the mass shooting.
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Only got to read the first few lines since it’s bahind a paywall, but that made me sick to my stomach.
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Lol! I was hoping everyone would ignore him. Why should we read his ideas if he won’t read ours?
Strongly disagree with the bolded part. A LEO does not need to be on, or have been on a team to understand and execute TTP’s. Teams have dumpster fire officers just like the line does. Now of a tactical team shows up and will be used, then yes their TL should have tactical control. But in most incidents like this the team arrives after it’s all over. The idea that only SWAT dudes are able to handle these decisions is nonsense.
The great sin in what happened in Texas is that an 18-year-old with murder in his heart walked into a public school and shot to death 19 kids and two teachers. The great shock is what the police did—their incompetence on the scene and apparent lies afterward. This aspect has rocked the American people.
Uvalde wasn’t an “apparent law-enforcement failure.” It is the biggest law-enforcement scandal since George Floyd, and therefore one of the biggest in U.S. history. Children, some already shot, some not, were trapped in adjoining classrooms. As many as 19 cops were gathered in the hall just outside. The Washington Post timeline has the killer roaming the classrooms: “The attack went for so long, witnesses said, that the gunman had time to taunt his victims before killing them, even putting on songs that one student described to CNN as ‘I-want-people-to-die music.’ ”
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Students inside were calling 911 and begging for help. The officers failed to move for almost an hour.
Everyone in America knows the story. Finding out exactly how and why it happened is the urgent business of government. We can’t let it dribble away into the narrative void and settle for excuses. “People are still shaken up.” “Probes take time.” “We’re still burying the children.” We can’t let the idea settle in that this is how it is now, if bad trouble comes you’re on your own. It is too demoralizing.
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We can’t let it settle in that the police can’t be relied on to be physically braver than other people. An implicit agreement in going into the profession is that you’re physically brave. I don’t understand those saying with nonjudgmental empathy, “I’m not sure I would have gone in.” It was their job to go in. If you can’t cut it, then don’t join and get the badge, the gun and the pension.
The most focused and intense investigating has to be done now, when it’s still fresh and raw—before the 19 cops and their commanders fully close ranks, if they haven’t already, and lawyer up.
Those officers—they know everything that happened while nothing was done for an hour. A lot of them would have had to override their own common sense to stand down under orders; most would have had to override a natural impulse toward compassion. Many would be angry now, or full of reproach or a need to explain.
Get them now.
Within moments of the massacre’s ending, the police were issuing strange claims. They said the shooter was confronted by a school guard and shots were exchanged. Not true. They said the shooter was wearing body armor. He wasn’t. They said he was “barricaded” inside the classroom. Is that the right word for a guy behind a single locked door? They said a teacher left open the door the shooter used to enter. Videotape showed otherwise. They didn’t admit what happened outside the school as parents pleaded with the police to do something and tried to fight past the cordon so at least they could do something. The Washington Post had a witness who heard parents tell the police, “Do your f— job!” The police said they were. A man yelled, “Get your f— rifles and handle business!” Those parents were patronized and pushed around.
Even accounting for the fog of war there’s something next-level about the spin and falsehoods that occurred in Uvalde.
The commander on scene, school district police chief Pete Arredondo, hasn’t given a public statement on what went wrong. Why is he allowed not to tell the public what happened? He didn’t take reporters’ questions until cornered Wednesday by CNN’s Shimon Prokupecz. Mr. Arredondo was evasive. Reports he’s stiff-arming investigators are wrong, he said; he’s in touch with them and he’ll have more to say but not now. Then, in fatherly tones: “We’re not going to release anything. We have people in our community being buried. So we’re going to be respectful.”
A better form of respect would have been stopping the guy who left them grieving their dead children.
What I fear is a final report issued in six months or a year that will hit all the smarmy rhetorical notes—“a day of epic tragedy for our brothers and sisters in a small Texas town”—but fail, utterly, to make clear who was responsible for the lost hour.
All this has made Gov. Greg Abbott look particularly bad. He gave the imprimatur of his office to early police fictions. In his first news conference following the massacre he was strangely insistent on their sterling valor: “They showed amazing courage by running toward gunfire.”
Only after videos of the parents being pushed around by the cops made their way to social media did he make an about-face. In a later news conference he talked of free funerals and mental health resources. Pressed finally on what was already becoming a police scandal, he said he’d been “misled” by authorities and was “livid.” Glad he talked about his emotions. We don’t do that enough in America.
But who misled him? Do they still have a job?
You wonder what his first briefing was like.
Governor: “I need the truth: What went down?”
Burly police official in Stetson: “Within minutes we stormed the school like Iwo Jima—took out the enemy under a hail of fire, carried the women and children to safety. Fixed bayonets. Knives in our teeth. Trust me.”
Governor: “Got it, thanks!”
There is only one way to handle such a mistake: know it won’t disappear. Lead a swift and brutal investigation, talk about it every day, keep the heat on. When people know you’re playing it straight, they’re generous. When they know you aren’t—there’s an election in November and they’ll let you know.
I close with a thought tugging around my brain. I think I am seeing a broad and general decline in professionalism in America, a deterioration of our pride in concepts like rigor and excellence. Jan. 6 comes and law enforcement agencies are weak and unprepared and the U.S. Capitol falls to a small army of mooks. Afghanistan and the departure that was really a collapse, all traceable to the incompetence of diplomatic and military leadership. It’s like everyone’s forgotten the mission.
I’m not saying, “Oh, America was once so wonderful and now it’s not.” I’m saying we are losing old habits of discipline and pride in expertise—of peerlessness. There was a kind of American gleam. If the world called on us—in business, the arts, the military, diplomacy, science—they knew they were going to get help. The grown-ups had arrived, with their deep competence.
America now feels more like people who took the Expedited Three Month Training Course and got the security badge and went to work and formed an affinity group to advocate for change. A people who love to talk, endlessly, about sensitivity, yet aren’t sensitive enough to save the children bleeding out on the other side of the door.
I fear that as a people we’re becoming not only increasingly unimpressive but increasingly unlovable.
My God, I’ve never seen a country so in need of a hero.
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For clarification, if you are so far removed from day to day patrol operations let alone a complex tactical situation, you should have the humility and emotional maturity to realize when you are out of your lane
I guarantee you that fat fuck “chief” has pencil whipped his mandated qualifications , use of force training and absolutely should not have been in tactical command based solely on his tactical direction
I am speaking from the perspective of working patrol shifts with active or former tactical team members
I agree with what you are saying and concur that online level officers should be moving in and Eliminating the threat
That clearly did not happen
I don’t care if the tactical command ordered a surround and call out they knew what needed to be done and didn’t execute
Again. I agree You don’t wait for a SWAT response on an active shooter , that has been standard TTPs since mid 2000’s
That is where my criticism lays, in the absence of poor formal leadership and poor tactical decision making it is incumbent upon the individual officers to take initiative
This outcome was absolutely unacceptable and could have been different if not for the hubris of the “tactical commander” and the feckless cowardess of the officers that did nothing while more children were killed
I've checked in on this thread a few times and apologize in advance for not having read every post before asking a question. Is there a generally-agreed-upon timeline online yet?
In particular, I was trying to figure out how Border Patrol's Jacob Albarado fit into the timeline. (In general, I can't make heads or tails out of the reported events.)
And full of shit too--my sparingly used comment which carries a triple whammy level of condemnation.
Whew. Truth spoken. For me, I came to this realization as covid unfolded. I got a front row seat to watch a *major* governmental institution utterly fail to lead in that “crisis”. In my view, numerous governmental entities were unmasked as utterly incompetent. (CDC anyone?). Things have not improved in the interim. I continue to place my hope in “the line.” I guess the line cowboyed up and got it done in Uvalde, but it sure was ugly.
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No one is coming. It is up to us.
Jacob Albardo doesn’t fit into the time line in any significant manner.
He is the border patrol agent who was off-duty getting his haircut and got a text about the shooting from his wife and daughter Who work at and attend Robb elementary. Since he could not be bothered to carry his gun off duty he had to borrow a shotgun from his barber to respond to the school. Apparently he entered the school along with at least two other border patrol agents during the time the gunman was contained in the classroom he then located his wife and daughter and several other students and staff elsewhere in the school and escorted them out.
That’s it. He had nothing to do with making entry into the classroom where the shooter barricaded himself or with killing the shooter.
Any “lone ranger” stories you see floating around social media about a single off duty border patrol agent with a borrowed shotgun being the only one with balls enough to charge in and kill the shooter single-handed are all horseshit.
Apparently the media and the public find the “human interest” parts of his story compelling but unfortunately that has spun off into false romantic “Lone Ranger” narratives being pushed.
There are about 140 border patrol agents assigned to the Uvalde station which includes the checkpoint west of town. Between 80 and 100 of those agents responded to the school. Many of those agents were off duty and all that had the opportunity assisted with evacuation and/or rendering aid.
An ad hoc team consisting of several Border Patrol Agents from the border patrols special operations group, which includes both BORTAC (BP SWAT) and BORSTAR (BP Search and Rescue) and at least one Zavala County Sheriff’s Deputy, acting on their own initiative, finally made entry into the classroom using a key provided by a school janitor. They entered with a rifle rated shield and multiple long guns. The shooter, who was in a closet, fired approximately half a magazine at the team, most of which struck the shield and two of which grazed one of the team members. The team members returned fire killing the shooter.
Last edited by HCM; 06-02-2022 at 09:54 PM.
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