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Thread: Organic gelatin Vs Clear Gel

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    My opinion on clear gelatin is similar to sound meter testing.

    Iím not trying to introduce standalone data to compare against measurements done on a different day at different barometric pressure.

    Iím just trying to get an arms length comparative perspective.

    I also like employing an internal control with a known good cartridge shot on that day.

    Basically to me if something doesnít penetrate 15Ē+ in clear gel, itís not optimal.

    Was it border patrol that accepted 10Ē in porcine gel?

    For me, Iíll shoot a 9mm Gold Dot or HST as my control standard and go from there when evaluating any challengersÖ

    While clear gel isnít the gold standard, for me Iím still getting the information I want knowing that Iím not making purchasing decisions for a LEO or military unit.
    Currently Iím still within the acceptable dickhead parameter of PF 2017+.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5pins View Post
    I made the decision to remove most of my testing I have done using Clear Gel. Clear gel simply doesnít correlate well with organic ballistics gel, and to leave my postings up would be a disservice to people using my information when picking what round they want to use when protecting themselves. Field loads, handloads, and other oddball stuff will remain.
    I got several warnings on arfcom when I would say how your clear gel testing doesn't correlate to organic gel.


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    I got several warnings on arfcom when I would say how your clear gel testing doesn't correlate to organic gel.

    From the admins?
    www.general-cartridge.com

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    I got a comment on my post, on the Winchester 9mm Hex-Vent, saying he was great to find it tested in Vyse gel because his testing in clear gel was inconsistent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 5pins View Post
    Brass Fetcher has some good info. But then he's also done some 20% testing since that's apparently what the military uses.

    Kind of the same with IWBA vs FBI. The 4 layer denim may be a tougher test of a bullet design and engineering but it is not an industry standard.

    Kind of like MLOK vs Keymod. One might work similarly or even better in some cases but it is not an industry norm.

    For better or worse, the FBI spec (at least the heavy clothing barrier and maybe auto glass) are what most ammo is tested to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5pins View Post
    From the admins?
    Yeah

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    Too bad we can't follow the CCP model and just test on condemned prisoners. With the difficulty experienced getting the drugs used for lethal injection it would be a useful and less costly expedient. If Charlie Askins were still alive he would volunteer to dig out the expanded bullets with his Buck 110 folder just like he did with the early Super Vel loads down on the border, so we would have a benchmark to compare to.

    Lacking that I vote for reviving Marty Fackler's goat and pig BBQ like we had at the Presidio in the late 1980s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Outpost75 View Post
    Too bad we can't follow the CCP model and just test on condemned prisoners. With the difficulty experienced getting the drugs used for lethal injection it would be a useful and less costly expedient. If Charlie Askins were still alive he would volunteer to dig out the expanded bullets with his Buck 110 folder just like he did with the early Super Vel loads down on the border, so we would have a benchmark to compare to.

    Lacking that I vote for reviving Marty Fackler's goat and pig BBQ like we had at the Presidio in the late 1980s.
    Those weren't French Alpine goats from Strasbourg France were they?

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    I wonder what would happen if they had Clear Ballistic gel that was at the proper density.

    I bought a block of 20% that I was going to melt into 10% to get the appropriate BB penetration.

    But it was more effort than it was worth.
    Currently Iím still within the acceptable dickhead parameter of PF 2017+.

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    Strasbourg tests never happened. What was published was a hoax created in a pot smoke stupor. Thoroughly debunked.

    But goat vs. pig comparisons on instrumented animals on treadmills did occur at Letterman to validate the design parameters and methods used for correct formulation and calibration of Kind & Knox Pharmagel Ordnance 250A. Pathologists from AFIP and Navmed did the PMs. The raw data is probably still classified, but was peer reviewed within the military medical community.

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