Glock 42 or other smaller .380 auto users out there?

[1Rangemaster]

@feudist : thank you for your efforts, time and expense. I went to the trouble 3 years or so back to cobble together Rehn’s target. He has an interesting one, but I think, as you did, just holding to a tight standard is a very good thing. I will have to try it with my Smith 317 and see how that goes.
I had an outdoor session this morning with a local attorney who is getting serious about proficiency. Afterwards, I remembered your post and made a run with a 43 w/ a NY trigger spring testing some Underwood loads. I had typically carried Hornady “Critical Defense” 115s, but wanted to see how the boutique loads did. 5 rounds each of the 124+P flat nose fmj, the 68 grain penetrating “Defender” and the 147 coated lead flatnose. All fed and functioned, but I’ll stick with the heavier bullets for now. The 68 grain-rated @1700fps-just seems really quick. Subjective bit there it is…
I used Werner’s” Tactical Professor” [I]Angry Face[I] and heart&pistol images on a piece of printer paper. The “face” has a 5” circle for center. I’ll call it clean as all hits on papers, face shots in 5”. No problem with 3 seconds; IWB holster concealed under fleece vest.
Thanks again for bringing up a practical drill; I’ll work it some more with different guns, etc.. Pretty sure it would go well with a 42 out of a belt holster.
As a side note, I’m reminded how nice this site is with people contributing. The attorney is just beginning. We did no timing-I want good handling and hits first.

[feudist]

@feudist : thank you for your efforts, time and expense. I went to the trouble 3 years or so back to cobble together Rehn’s target. He has an interesting one, but I think, as you did, just holding to a tight standard is a very good thing. I will have to try it with my Smith 317 and see how that goes.
I had an outdoor session this morning with a local attorney who is getting serious about proficiency. Afterwards, I remembered your post and made a run with a 43 w/ a NY trigger spring testing some Underwood loads. I had typically carried Hornady “Critical Defense” 115s, but wanted to see how the boutique loads did. 5 rounds each of the 124+P flat nose fmj, the 68 grain penetrating “Defender” and the 147 coated lead flatnose. All fed and functioned, but I’ll stick with the heavier bullets for now. The 68 grain-rated @1700fps-just seems really quick. Subjective bit there it is…
I used Werner’s” Tactical Professor” [I]Angry Face[I] and heart&pistol images on a piece of printer paper. The “face” has a 5” circle for center. I’ll call it clean as all hits on papers, face shots in 5”. No problem with 3 seconds; IWB holster concealed under fleece vest.
Thanks again for bringing up a practical drill; I’ll work it some more with different guns, etc.. Pretty sure it would go well with a 42 out of a belt holster.
As a side note, I’m reminded how nice this site is with people contributing. The attorney is just beginning. We did no timing-I want good handling and hits first.

I'm a long time fan of Claude.
I shot his "Baseline Drill" last week also. It's a very good 50 round accuracy/controllability drill shot from 3-15 yards.

https://thetacticalprofessor.net/201...your-baseline/

[1Rangemaster]

I'm a long time fan of Claude.
I shot his "Baseline Drill" last week also. It's a very good 50 round accuracy/controllability drill shot from 3-15 yards.

https://thetacticalprofessor.net/201...your-baseline/

Thanks for that too. I may very well put this into the mix with the attorney shooting(I know, he’s a lawyer, but a good guy who has been an asset to the local club).

[zaitcev]

Just off the top of my head....body heat combined with length of time carrying has the polymer tip sticking just a bit to the inside of the magazine. Once they start moving, though, they function normally?

This is a seductively plausible explanation, but at this stage I wish someone else confirmed my observations. I don't want to be sued by Hornady for defamation. I shot that ammunition ever since it appeared on the market, it always worked well, and the issue only cropped up a year and a half ago. Maybe my magazines accumulated dirt (of course I clean them, but maybe not enough).

[rehn]

[QUOTE=1Rangemaster;1464737]@feudist : thank you for your efforts, time and expense. I went to the trouble 3 years or so back to cobble together Rehn’s target.

There shouldn't be any "cobbling together" to have my target. It's a PDF file you print on 11x17 paper and glue or staple to any backer.

The 3 Sec or less test uses the KRT-2. The KRT-1 is an 18x24 that you either have to order online from Action Target or make out of two 11x17 pieces, but it's not relevant to the 3 Seconds or Less target. The KRT-1 is my version of the Casino target Tom Givens uses, just designed to fit on an 18x24 format for us folks that have USPSA/IDPA wide target stands and never use 24" wide stands or cardboard targets for anything ever because those extra inches around the periphery are all unacceptable hits anyway.

The KRT-2 is intended to provide a more anatomically correct target and hold students to a higher accuracy standard, since our center zone is not an 8" circle but a 6 x 7 x 8 trapezoid more closely matching the shape of the heart/lung area. It also has a spinal strip going up into the head. The head box is basically the 9 ring of a B8 with a smaller USPSA style A zone box where the brain is.

If you want to get fancy with scoring, you use the white boxes as "X count" and the grey area as acceptable hit, so the best possible score is 20-20x if all your hits stay in the white boxes.

https://blog.krtraining.com/the-krt-target-series/

[TGS]

There shouldn't be any "cobbling together" to have my target. It's a PDF file you print on 11x17 paper and glue or staple to any backer.

The average person doesn't stock 11x17 paper. Not that I've ever conducted an exhaustive survey, but I quite literally cannot remember a single person I've known in life to have 11x17 paper in stock when I've asked to print something off at their house, and I've never seen someone using an 11x17 home printed target at the range.

Thus, the average person is going to "cobble together" a target in an otherwise very non-standard paper for home use, instead of purchasing that non-standard paper just to shoot a one-off drill.

[rehn]

The average person doesn't stock 11x17 paper. Not that I've ever conducted an exhaustive survey, but I quite literally cannot remember a single person I've known in life to have 11x17 paper in stock when I've asked to print something off at their house, and I've never seen someone using an 11x17 home printed target at the range.

Thus, the average person is going to "cobble together" a target in an otherwise very non-standard paper for home use, instead of purchasing that non-standard paper just to shoot a one-off drill.

The reason I went with 11x17 was that it made it possible for people to get them printed at Office Depot or Kinkos or use their office printer, and paper could be purchased at office supply places. That's simpler than having to order a custom printed target from an online vendor and pay shipping for a piece of paper. Many of my regular students print more than one target and use it as their primary practice target. Worst case scenario, it takes two 8.5x11 pages taped together or pasted on a backer. I've had students print it on 11x14 (FAST sized) and shoot the drill at 2 and 5 yards instead - and some shoot it using the 11x14 sized at 3 and 7.

For those that find that process "too hard" as you did, we provided guidance on how the drill could be shot using other more widely available target designs.
FAST, IDPA, USPSA for example. It could be shot using two B-8s, using the 8 ring for the body on one and the 9 ring (black center) of another, or a B-27 using the 9 ring as the body and the head as the head.

[TGS]

For those that find that process "too hard" as you did, we provided guidance on how the drill could be shot using other more widely available target designs.

I'm not sure what you're on about.

I haven't found it "too hard", because I haven't tried shooting your drill at all.