Lockdowns, Not the Pandemic, Created Havoc

[entropy]

With the homeless population the way it is especially in the PNW and CA, has anyone seen any numbers on deaths among these groups? I’d imagine a combination of lifestyle, lack of treatment, and living conditions would have made them particularly vulnerable.

[TheNewbie]

One of the most evil and cruel aspects of the panic was not allowing the sick and elderly to be seen. If you are dying in the hospital you shouldn’t have to die alone. If you are so old that a broken hip would have a decent chance of killing, who cares what pathogens you might be exposed to? It’s better to see your family for the last couple of years you have instead of being “protected”.


The people responsible for that are incredibly cruel and many of them deserve prison more so than many of the people actually in prison.


I can’t imagine what the families who had to go through that must have suffered.

[Sig_Fiend]

There is a deep wound in this country. It cuts across all demographics and all sides of the political spectrum. It's from more than just this pandemic. It isn't going to heal until many politicians start serving lengthy prison sentences for their various crimes. The growing lack of accountability is intolerable.

[45dotACP]

One of the most evil and cruel aspects of the panic was not allowing the sick and elderly to be seen. If you are dying in the hospital you shouldn’t have to die alone. If you are so old that a broken hip would have a decent chance of killing, who cares what pathogens you might be exposed to? It’s better to see your family for the last couple of years you have instead of being “protected”.


The people responsible for that are incredibly cruel and many of them deserve prison more so than many of the people actually in prison.


I can’t imagine what the families who had to go through that must have suffered.

I can.

I didn't get to make policy in the hospital but I'm sure there's no shortage of people who think I deserve prison time for working in a hospital with a no visitors policy during the pandemic.

But those people can go fuck themselves. They never did fuck all to help those in need so they can suck my balls.

That said, I sure as hell wouldn't have minded if more people had been allowed to visit the hospital.

Notwithstanding the cruelty of forcing huge numbers of people to suffer alone, I think it would gave provided some context to what we were actually dealing with, rather than what the fear porn service providers on both sides were saying we were dealing with.

We're a lot further out from the effects of COVID and thank God for that. And the further we get the more the people who barely felt it or never saw it will forget about how bad it was.

But I sure won't. It was pretty fucking bad and I wish more people could have seen that.

I wish people could walk through the ICU and see us running multiple codes in one shift, seeing at times three deaths per day. I wish people could have seen the suffering and terror in the eyes of our patients as they slowly lost the ability to breathe and how fucking helpless most of us felt when we tried everything from the CDCs latest recommendation to what someone's Tia said might work.

How many US citizens died of the flu in the last decade preceding the pandemic? Maybe half a million.

Covid killed about a million in two years. Twice the loss of life in less than a fifth of the time.

Personally, I saw more people die of COVID from 2020-2021 than I saw die of anything else from 2015-2019. And I work in critical care.

Now I'm seeing fuckloads of patients with advanced cancer, because the only way to staff our unit for the severe illness COVID patients in those first 6-10 months, was to take nurses from outpatient care and have them work inpatient.

Screenings didn't get done, treatments didn't get followed up on, and telemedicine cannot replace bedside practitioners, probably not unlike how television cannot replace school.

I was initially a fan of short term lockdowns, but after the first few days didn't do fuck all, I figured they were more harm than good.

A lot of people did genuinely try to do their best to stay home if they were sick and wear masks if they were feeling unwell, so that was at least a nice gesture, but my theory is that COVID mostly is worse for people who experience prolonged exposure and that you're most likely to get seriously ill if you're living with someone who has it. Not some random person coughing on you at the grocery store.

Now with a vast and widespread vaccination effort underway, I am hopeful that those first 6-12 months will just continue to be a distant memory and that watching someone gasp out their last breath on a BiPap will just be a semi annual thing rather than a daily thing.




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[TheNewbie]

I can.

I didn't get to make policy in the hospital but I'm sure there's no shortage of people who think I deserve prison time for working in a hospital with a no visitors policy during the pandemic.

But those people can go fuck themselves. They never did fuck all to help those in need so they can suck my balls.

That said, I sure as hell wouldn't have minded if more people had been allowed to visit the hospital.

Notwithstanding the cruelty of forcing huge numbers of people to suffer alone, I think it would gave provided some context to what we were actually dealing with, rather than what the fear porn service providers on both sides were saying we were dealing with.

We're a lot further out from the effects of COVID and thank God for that. And the further we get the more the people who barely felt it or never saw it will forget about how bad it was.

But I sure won't. It was pretty fucking bad and I wish more people could have seen that.

I wish people could walk through the ICU and see us running multiple codes in one shift, seeing at times three deaths per day. I wish people could have seen the suffering and terror in the eyes of our patients as they slowly lost the ability to breathe and how fucking helpless most of us felt when we tried everything from the CDCs latest recommendation to what someone's Tia said might work.

How many US citizens died of the flu in the last decade preceding the pandemic? Maybe half a million.

Covid killed about a million in two years. Twice the loss of life in less than a fifth of the time.

Personally, I saw more people die of COVID from 2020-2021 than I saw die of anything else from 2015-2019. And I work in critical care.

Now I'm seeing fuckloads of patients with advanced cancer, because the only way to staff our unit for the severe illness COVID patients in those first 6-10 months, was to take nurses from outpatient care and have them work inpatient.

Screenings didn't get done, treatments didn't get followed up on, and telemedicine cannot replace bedside practitioners, probably not unlike how television cannot replace school.

I was initially a fan of short term lockdowns, but after the first few days didn't do fuck all, I figured they were more harm than good.

A lot of people did genuinely try to do their best to stay home if they were sick and wear masks if they were feeling unwell, so that was at least a nice gesture, but my theory is that COVID mostly is worse for people who experience prolonged exposure and that you're most likely to get seriously ill if you're living with someone who has it. Not some random person coughing on you at the grocery store.

Now with a vast and widespread vaccination effort underway, I am hopeful that those first 6-12 months will just continue to be a distant memory and that watching someone gasp out their last breath on a BiPap will just be a semi annual thing rather than a daily thing.




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Those people are irresponsible and stupid. Are a large numbers of people blaming docs and nurses for the evil visitation policies? I haven’t seen it and I am on a side of the Covid divide that disagrees with much of the mainstream medical community as it relates to Covid. .


What people say to me in an intense emotional situation I do not take to heart. It’s part of the job. It’s not right, but it’s life.


You’re not the only one who will not forget the effects of Covid and the cruel response to it. I’ve seen both sides and even after a horrific experience with it, I see no justification for how lockdowns, masking, and the panic was handled/encouraged.


All that said, I saw first hand how much good doctors and nurses mean to the patients and the families(also the great people here at PF). I may not take their pre hospital advice as it regards treatment, but once in the hospital, I know they do their best and that they truly care. It’s something we should all be thankful for.


My wife is one of the best doctors that I know. She was impressed with the quality of care and attitudes of the medical personnel.


You should be proud of your work. We may disagree on some liberty issues and medical issues, but I’m thankful we have people like you taking care of patients. Keep being a blessing.

[Totem Polar]

I can.

I didn't get to make policy in the hospital but I'm sure there's no shortage of people who think I deserve prison time for working in a hospital with a no visitors policy during the pandemic.

But those people can go fuck themselves. They never did fuck all to help those in need so they can suck my balls.

That said, I sure as hell wouldn't have minded if more people had been allowed to visit the hospital.

Notwithstanding the cruelty of forcing huge numbers of people to suffer alone, I think it would gave provided some context to what we were actually dealing with, rather than what the fear porn service providers on both sides were saying we were dealing with.

We're a lot further out from the effects of COVID and thank God for that. And the further we get the more the people who barely felt it or never saw it will forget about how bad it was.

But I sure won't. It was pretty fucking bad and I wish more people could have seen that.

I wish people could walk through the ICU and see us running multiple codes in one shift, seeing at times three deaths per day. I wish people could have seen the suffering and terror in the eyes of our patients as they slowly lost the ability to breathe and how fucking helpless most of us felt when we tried everything from the CDCs latest recommendation to what someone's Tia said might work.

How many US citizens died of the flu in the last decade preceding the pandemic? Maybe half a million.

Covid killed about a million in two years. Twice the loss of life in less than a fifth of the time.

Personally, I saw more people die of COVID from 2020-2021 than I saw die of anything else from 2015-2019. And I work in critical care.

Now I'm seeing fuckloads of patients with advanced cancer, because the only way to staff our unit for the severe illness COVID patients in those first 6-10 months, was to take nurses from outpatient care and have them work inpatient.

Screenings didn't get done, treatments didn't get followed up on, and telemedicine cannot replace bedside practitioners, probably not unlike how television cannot replace school.

I was initially a fan of short term lockdowns, but after the first few days didn't do fuck all, I figured they were more harm than good.

A lot of people did genuinely try to do their best to stay home if they were sick and wear masks if they were feeling unwell, so that was at least a nice gesture, but my theory is that COVID mostly is worse for people who experience prolonged exposure and that you're most likely to get seriously ill if you're living with someone who has it. Not some random person coughing on you at the grocery store.

Now with a vast and widespread vaccination effort underway, I am hopeful that those first 6-12 months will just continue to be a distant memory and that watching someone gasp out their last breath on a BiPap will just be a semi annual thing rather than a daily thing.




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You’re a good dude, my friend.

Here’s to 2020 through all of 2021: for being fucking over.

[Joe in PNG]

Another factor of the lockdowns is that people don't do good if they have nothing to do. Bored people tend to become unhealthy people (mentally and physically), especially if they get punished for trying to healthy things outside. They drink too much and eat too much and watch too much tv and get bored and depressed.

Which makes people more susceptible.

[pangloss]

The point of the lockdowns wasn't to prevent the pandemic but to buy a little time to prepare.

At least that is my perspective living in a state that ended lock downs relatively early and led the nation in per capita COVID deaths.

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