Question for Those Who Attend/Attended Frequent High Round Count Pistol Training

[babypanther]

When still working BP I cannot remember witnessing during academy or quarterly quals and training any gun issues with the P2000 and good ammo that weren’t shooter induced. The only gun issue I recall was one ATV unit Agent took a bad fall one night and knocked his rear sight out of alignment. He showed up to quals and wondered why his shot group moved.

Now at my current agency for 7 years and as an FI, i cannot remember witnessing any guns have issues that weren’t;
1. Mostly stock
2. Mostly lubed
3. Fed decent ammunition

Most issues i have seen are related to the shooter, and usually with newer shooters when we take them to the range pre academy for some basic gun handling and policy stuff.

In my area cops typically shoot Glocks. We (S.O.) are shooting G5 G17’s, PD is shooting G45’s and we have a lot of FBI personnel on the Arsenal now.


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[19852+]

I have attended two high round count courses, at least they were high count for me. Back when ammo was much, much cheaper.. Both around 900 rounds in 5-6 hours. In one class I used my own reloads exclusively, in the other I used a case of Wolf 9mm that I had [pretty sure I paid $98.99 for it....]. Both were CZ 9mm pistols, a Pre-B 75 and a 75 PCR, both functioned flawlessly, zero broken parts.

I've done at least two 2000 round tests with my Colt .38 Super, one using reloads, the other with factory ammo. The Colt passed easily, zero broken parts. I ran tests prior to the two successful tests that showed me some flaws in ammo, magazine selection and lubrication. With what I learned I went on to the previously mentioned successful tests.

The 75 PRC is sadly no longer with me and the Pre-B is semi retired. The Colt Super is my favorite pistol and goes with me every time I hit the range.

[45dotACP]

Last high round count class I went to the only really problematic gun was a sig 320 that had very clearly been worked on. One of those joints with a tungsten filled frame and a trigger that was lighter than the 3.5lb 1911 trigger I was running.

I think the excuse was something about the recoil spring being too light or the extended mags weren't working correctly.

My Springfield, incidentally, ran just fine. I failed to fully seat a mag once and that was the extent of my problems.

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[JAD]

Do you all see many "limp wristing" occurrences at training? In my experience I have not.

Not many, but a few. I saw a small female officer limp wrist a S&W649 to failure; that took determination.

[SwampDweller]

Not many, but a few. I saw a small female officer limp wrist a S&W649 to failure; that took determination.

How do you limp wrist a revolver?

[JAD]

How do you limp wrist a revolver?

By which I meant 6946.

[revchuck38]

By which I meant 6946.

Brain fade from fasting?

[SwampDweller]

By which I meant 6946.

Oh! Well I guess it goes to show that even all-metal pistols can be limp wristed.

[JAD]

Brain fade from fasting?

That way we all get to remember His suffering.

[Mitch]

Do you all see many "limp wristing" occurrences at training? In my experience I have not.

Only one. A Glock 22 with a TLR1 on it. I think Gen 3, but this was about 8 years ago so my memory is a little hazy. Student kept having failures to feed, instructor grabbed the gun and it ran fine for him. This was at the end of day 2 so I’m betting the student was wearing out.

Only guns I’ve seen go down are a Kimber 1911 and a Glock 19 with a Zev trigger. That Glock barely made it a half hour. Every stock Glock or even stock gun (other than the Kimber) ran fine.