I saw this https://news.yahoo.com/rifle-future-...134200136.html today and thought it might start some stimulating conversation.
I saw this https://news.yahoo.com/rifle-future-...134200136.html today and thought it might start some stimulating conversation.
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In the Mack Bolan series featured the G11 a couple of times. I read them from about '83-90. Been really interested in it since then.
Ran into this a few months ago.
According to Wikiwhatever the West Germans were set up to purchase 300,000 of them between 1990-2002. The fall of the Wall, reunification, and the end of the Cold War sealed its fate. It was ready for prime time. Optics, lasers, mags, reloading packs, bayonet.
It is also what was conjured up in my little peabrain every single time I have heard:
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Discuss an obscure prototype rifle developed during the 1980s? So in. The Advanced Combat Rifle (ACR) trials occurred during my misspent youth, and I gobbled up every shred of gun magazine rumor about the rifles. The G11 appeared, along with the entrants from AAI, Colt, and Steyr. I'm looking forward to the Vickers Guides on HK that are in the works; the HK prototype guns are supposedly a volume onto themselves, and I expect the G11 to feature prominently.
Interestingly, in Episode 63 of the 'Live Q or Die' podcast, Kevin Brittingham (of Q and AAC) interviews Wayne Weber, former President of HK-USA. Apparently, Weber's association with HK began when he was one of the USAF firearms experts assigned to the ACR project to evaluate the G11. Brittingham is not my favorite interviewer, but this was worth listening to.
The G11 held special interest for me among the ACR entrants - and was the one which seemed to also start appearing in some popular media (games like the James Bond RPG and Twilight 2000). It was always way overpowered.
The G11 probably sparked my strange fascination with the Russian AN-94 and other Russian prototype rifles.
"When the phone rang, Parker was in the garage, killing a man."
Except ammo. Ammo was so expensive, the West Germans wouldn't have been able to afford much live fire training. If I recall, ammo was $11 a round back then.Originally Posted by UNM1136
The workings of the G11 were considered a state secret and no one was allowed access to the details of the inner workings other than it used a rotating chamber.
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Hearing that thing in three round burst (4:00 in the video at the first link) - yowza!
Ken
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Interesting. Yikes! The basic loadout for U.S. Soldier (which I don't know has changed in the last 30 years) cost more than my tricked out LaRue fanboi Swiss Army Inspector Gadget LE6920 patrol rifle.
Yeah you just hear it as a rather longish report. If you didn't know it was three rounds you could confuse it as one. And did you notice the holes in the block wall?
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The G11 was supposed to be the first in a whole family of weapons, including a PDW and LMG. I don't believe the PDW/Pistol ever developed into a firing prototype, but the LMG looks like it progressed further. Unlike the rifle version where the magazine laid horizontally across the top of the rifle, the LMG would use a unique 300 round magazine inserted into the stock.
"When the phone rang, Parker was in the garage, killing a man."
If they had fired the Coo Coo Clock Contractor and put the caseless ammo in a simpler rifle, things might have been different.
Voere did a bit with a caseless bolt action, electric primed to boot.
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The G11 is what got me into reloading.
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It's the perfect Neil Stephenson gun: Cyberpunk space magic on the outside, steampunk clockwork inside.
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