Hodgdon reloading data for .30 Super Carry is now available online
https://www.hodgdonreloading.com/reloading-data-center
71 gr. JHP @ 1650 ft/s
85 gr. JHP @ 1450 ft/s
Higher velocity than .30 Luger, equal to .30 Mauser, and comparable to some 7.62 Tokarev from a pistol
Last edited by Velo Dog; 03-26-2023 at 10:29 PM.
Originally Posted by Velo Dog
Noticed they used small rifle primers instead of small pistol. I'm sure if Mr. Cleckner knew of that he would have given the 9mm another check in the box.
We could isolate Russia totally from the world and maybe they could apply for membership after 2000 years.
It's smaller diameter Liberty Civil Defense .380 (50gr/1500fps).
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Thats quite promising; 85gr @ 1450fps is pretty much in line with most of the surplus / factory 7.62x25 Tokarev. Although no match for the handloads like done by Reeds that get the 85gr up to 1700fps.
https://shop.reedsammo.com/762x25-85...-HP-x2585x.htm
A full 50kpsi load from a 5" barrel would probably get it to 1500fps. Probably a fun red dot load, especially with a comp.
Although there has been much discussion of the .30 Super Carry, this question has yet to be answered and has not received the attention it deserves.
I think that the 9mm vs .45 and 9mm vs .40/10mm debates need to be understood in their proper historical context.
Viewed from that prospective, the .30 Super Carry vs 9x19mm question looks significantly different in my eyes.
A few quick points to consider;
9mm was invented first and was the NATO standard in Western Europe before the US military adopted the Beretta pistol. Illinois State Police was the first to widely use auto-loading pistols in US law enforcement when it adopted the S&W Model 39 9mm pistol in 1967. The 8-round single-stack Model 39 was originally developed for the United States Army service pistol trials of 1954.
As the transition from double-action revolvers and the 1911 pistol accelerated during the 1980's, a major selling point was the high magazine capacity of many 9x19mm pistols of the time. Those 9mm autos could undeniably hold 2 or 3 *times* more rounds in the gun, however, even then some questioned the need or desirability of 12 to 18-round pistol mags.
At the same time that 9mm pistols were gaining popularity, there was much controversy over the police use of hollow-point bullets.
Politicians and the general public were assured that hollow-points were humane and would reduce the risks of injury to innocent bystanders from ricochets and overpenetration.
Meanwhile, the ongoing efforts to rank bullet effectiveness included the Relative Incapacitation Index (RII) and other measures that were primarily focused on the volume of the Maximum Temporary Cavity in tissue simulant.
10mm Auto and .40 S&W were perhaps too much of a good thing. Complaints and concerns included size, weight, reliability, durability, accuracy, recoil, cost, and "Kabooms". Moving from 9mm to .40 S&W meant going from 15-rd mags to 11-round magazines in some platforms. Once ammunition manufacturers started designing 'barrier blind" bullets to meet law enforcement's new demand for both deeper penetration and robust expansion, 9mm was a serious contender once again.
Last edited by Velo Dog; 04-30-2023 at 05:18 PM.
.30 Super Carry carbine results from YouTuber AP2020 Outdoors
1327 feet per second from Blazer 115 grain FMJ
1517 fps from Remington 100 gr. FMJ
Very well-written ! ! !
Has the 30 Super Carry already entered the category of "dead/out of production/forgotten caliber" or it is still on its way there?
I saw some on clearance I think at a Rural King last week.
It's still hanging on to the ankles of the 5.7x28mm... give it a bit more time... 😁👍
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