How to find your Red Dot - Going Tactical with Mike Seeklander

[Tokarev]

Here's another one on finding the dot.

https://youtu.be/8_opyuuMw1Y

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[Erick Gelhaus]

No disrespect intended, but he lost me at "use your BUIS to find the dot."

Yeah. I just did a podcast explaining why you don't look for the irons first - which the host had been pushing in the previous episode.

[FNFAN]

Thanks for expanding on the peripheral vision thing @GearFondler & @HCM.

[HCM]

Yeah. I just did a podcast explaining why you don't look for the irons first - which the host had been pushing in the previous episode.

https://gunsmagazine.com/podcast/how...dRAXTYtVM4HyBA

[ST911]

Recurring themes in recent PMO-specific training:

If the irons are any part of your dot presentation, just use the irons. You've given up the benefits of the dot.
When learning the dot, a gun without irons is helpful. No system mingling, no training wheel.
If you lose the dot and need a shot, it may be faster and adequate to revert to an alternative sighting/index method rather than continue to hunt the dot.
Presentation and correct dot indexing is a dry skill. If it's still a problem, that's about you - not the PMO. No excuses.

[GJM]

If I am not seeing the dot, fully extending my arms almost always makes the dot appear.

If you think about the long gun, the dot is attached to a long, rigid thing. With a handgun, your arms have to take the become the long, rigid thing. When your arms are not extended, the dot can be off in any direction depending upon how you are gripping.

[HCM]

If I am not seeing the dot, fully extending my arms almost always makes the dot appear.

If you think about the long gun, the dot is attached to a long, rigid thing. With a handgun, your arms have to take the become the long, rigid thing. When your arms are not extended, the dot can be off in any direction depending upon how you are gripping.

Yes but full extending the arms as a default has a down side. IME many of my co-workers and other shooters associate fully extended arms with literally "punching out" the gun which introduces momentum issues like a spring going "boing!"

[GJM]

Yes but full extending the arms as a default has a down side. IME many of my co-workers and other shooters associate fully extended arms with literally "punching out" the gun which introduces momentum issues like a spring going "boing!"

I am not suggesting a default shooting technique, but rather a method for finding the dot if it is not visible. The dot will often appear as you move towards extension.

[Clusterfrack]

If you lose the dot and need a shot, it may be faster and adequate to revert to an alternative sighting/index method rather than continue to hunt the dot.

Especially because your dot may very well be dead…

[Chomps]

With irons-only they sit there high and proud on top of the slide and as you press out your eyes can easily see them and allow your hands to make the needed adjustments to have the pistol basically on target at the end of the draw.
With an RDS, the sights and even the slide itself can be obscured on the draw, preventing those subconscious adjustments that you didn't even realize you were making.

This plus we think of "peripheral vision' in terms of the horizontal plane but our peripheral vison includes the vertical plane as well.

Also you can see your sights from above and can track them subconsciously as they come up into your line of sight and eventually into alignment giving you a "head start" vs the dot. You can see the optic similarly but not the dot itself which is only acquired in the last stage of the presentation. Thus most of the presentation of the dot requires you present "by faith not by sight" to steal a phrase from church going folks. You can call it proprioception if you went to college ;-0

Exactly ... You further explained what I meant. As soon as the gun (and irons) enters your field of vision from below your hands will start making adjustments even without conscious thought, with the end result being a gun pointed at the target with sights properly aligned.
With an RDS, not so much... You have to train your body to put the pistol where you want it.

That all made a LOT of sense to me. I've found I present my Glock or Hellcat's iron sights quicker & FAR more consistently than I can on my PDP with the RedDot. I definitely need to practice presentation with THAT pistol a lot more.