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    Being a witness to a crime, no matter how horrendous, absent other articulable facts/overt actions by the perpetrator, does not equal an imminent threat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guerrero View Post
    As I understand it, a friend legally purchased it, then lent it to KR for the riots.

    So... "straw purchase"? I guess if you squint a little. I'm not sure there's any evidence that the friend was going to let KR have it "permanently."
    The story as I understand:
    Kyle gave his friend money to buy the rifle, and keep it until Kyle turned of legal age (18? Illinois?) to be able to possess it. That would mean the legal owner is the friend.
    I'm going to assume for the moment the rifle would be LEGALLY transferred to Kyle when that time came.
    Said rifle was then lent said rifle to Kyle while he was in town for the festivities.
    After all the shooting, Kyle did NOT return home with said rifle, so he did NOT at any time cross state lines with it.

    Based on that, I don't believe it qualifies as straw purchase, based on my general understanding of the term. My understanding of IL and WI law though is closer to zero.
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    To push to the ridiculous, I was once in a discussion about a guy in TX who was setting fire to people's dogs. Could you shoot him to stop him from lighting the dog up. People are more important that dogs but was it arson. Was a dog replaceable but is a specific, beloved dog replaceable? Morally, is a person who burns dogs alive worthy of life? Angels on the head of a pin!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Watson View Post
    Many years ago, there was a Playboy article about self and property defense.
    To paraphrase: Is a dog worth a man's life?
    Hardliner: That is for him to decide before he sets my dog on fire.
    Wait, what? They had articles?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wvincent View Post
    So, I have a bit of a question.
    The weapon charge was dismissed yesterday as it was not an SBR.
    The defense agreed it was not an SBR.
    Yet, they brought a charge to where only an SBR or SBS would have made the carrying of the rifle an offense.
    They knew it was not a crime.
    Yet, they charged him with the offense.
    Is this not something worth official sanction or more by the Bar or other organization?
    Possibly. [Usual caveats re: different states having different rules, etc., although these are pretty universal] Attorneys are held to ethical standards to only bring claims that they believe have legal merit. Prosecutors have higher standards than other attorneys to bring criminal charges, with the usual standard being "substantial likelihood of conviction." Prosecutors also have additional obligations, such as a duty to disclose "clearly exculpatory" evidence.

    If the prosecutor brought the charge because there was an argument to be made that KR's conduct was criminalized, or that his conduct did not fall into one of the exceptions to a statute, and the anticipated evidence did not play out at trial, then the prosecutor is probably fine. If no reasonable prosecutor would believe that the conduct was in fact illegal, or if evidence in the State's possession or readily available to the State would so clearly show that KR did not commit a crime to the extent that a reasonable prosecutor would realize the legality of the conduct and not bring the charge, the prosecutor may have run afoul of the rules of professional conduct and be subject to discipline by the State Bar.

    Most prosecutors have qualified immunity for actions taken as part of their official duties, so the prosecutor would likely have no civil liability even if he were found to have violated Bar rules.

    I wouldn't be surprised if the WI Bar has been/will be flooded with online complaints about this prosecutor just from people watching the trial online.
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    I can’t seem to copy the link, but I understand the jury reached out to the court for additional copies of the judges instructions this afternoon.

    Soon to reach a verdict maybe?
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