The fact that the Union people walked out after two prior gun safety incidents on the set negates that.Originally Posted by 0ddl0t
The fact that the Union people walked out after two prior gun safety incidents on the set negates that.
"There is no reason whatsoever for an actual bullet to be in a real gun on a movie set."
Actor
@John_Schneider
reacts to Alec Baldwin's fatal prop-gun shooting and explains the procedure to handling weapons on movie sets on Saturday's "Wake Up America Weekend."
https://twitter.com/newsmax/status/1...widget%3DTweet
If that is accurate. And it seems less speculative and more accurate than what I have read so far.
You have a blatant disregard for safety on the set here. An inexperienced armorer running the show, two previous negligent discharges, an assistant who did not check a gun before it was handed to the actor.
I don't have a lot of love for Baldwin. BUT the firing of the fatal shot really sounds accidental on his part and negligent on the part of the crew. Baldwin may be liable for creating stressful working conditions, but do stressful working conditions excuse negligence on the part of the people whose job it is to confirm safety?
More will need to be revealed as this goes on. But it doesn't look good overall, not that accidental deaths ever do.
They walked out because they didn't like driving an hour to Albuquerque and they refused to stay in the offered Santa Fe motel because it had been previously used to shelter the homeless. It was only after the killing that one person claimed a gun went off twice when someone was holding it in a cabin a few days prior.
Even accepting that one source's claim as true (how does a Colt SAA "accidentally" fire twice?), that level of negligence is still a world away from someone bringing a live round to the set and loading it into the pistol.
The person pulling the trigger has to be one of the people whose job it is to confirm safety.
As one of the producers of the film Baldwin is responsible for more than just creating a stressful environment by being his normal “charming” self. Hiring / utilizing unqualified people and failing to address prior safety issues is negligence on the part of the producers, including Baldwin.
Probably good to take a breath and wait to see what else emerges. Much was made of the “inexperienced armorer interview,” with only a passing nod to the fact that the interview where she said she wasn’t ready was for another production entirely—and one that she wrapped successfully. As usual, the media is doing whatever low-nutrient copy it can to entice folks into following this, and they’ve succeeded to some extent, as I myself am hooked—and I hate most media, left or right.
Back to the topic: I note that the armorer is Thell Reed’s daughter. That’s really too bad for her and her dad on this one. I note that John Schneider—who I honest to God haven’t thought of *since* the “Dukes of Hazzard” makes as much sense as anyone on this. His quick explanation of how things work on set in one of those links upthread was very good. Especially by soundbite standards.
There is more to learn on this one. This thread will run long, and be back later. JMO.
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If that Daily Mail article has any truth to it and the said people master is on record fir not knowing how to load a blank into a gun, she has ZERO reason for being anything but a coffee go-fer on a set, much less being a prop master.
As an actor, Baldwin, will probably not be held responsible for the death. I’ll wager there is some procedure that once handed a gun by the prop master or whoever’s role it is to hand out props, it’s bad juju to mess with said gun for safety reasons so to speak.
As a producer responsible for staffing decisions if he hired someone completely unskilled for a particular role, especially when it comes to safety, he may be held accountable.
Truly sad that something that is avoidable as this killed someone.
Even if what you say about the crew is true (and I’ve seen no evidence supporting it) it’s irrelevant to your hypothesis that a Union crew member committed manslaughter by intentionally putting a live round in a prop gun. Not only is there no evidence to support it but the facts available contradict it. No basis is other than your anti union prejudice.
Regarding your response to RR:
You are thinking like a shooter /gun owner. Actors are not us and don’t think like us. Read the industry standards for prop guns previously posted and linked. The actor is not part of the safety process in that world.
https://conservativebrief.com/911-ca...utm_medium=DJD
According to a search warrant filed in a Santa Fe court, the gun was one of three that the film’s armorer, Hannah Gutierrez, had set on a cart outside the wooden structure where a scene was being acted.
Assistant director Dave Halls grabbed the gun from the cart and brought it inside to Baldwin, unaware that it was loaded with live rounds, a detective wrote in the search warrant application.
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