Heh, heh. As John McClain said, "Welcome to the party, pal!"Originally Posted by JRB
Heh, heh. As John McClain said, "Welcome to the party, pal!"
I think there's something to be said for that.
I kinda see this "bifurcation" of goals/expectations in terms of shooting today:
1.) Deliberately and effectively making accurate--if not precise--hits on targets. "Shooting groups," if you will.
2.) Speed shooting--hitting 6-10 inch plates as fast as possible.
A theory/perspective: Perhaps the techniques and tools optimal for #1 vs. #2 are not entirely the same.
I do some steel matches here and there, but I suppose I'm more of a "#1" kinda shooter; guns like the BHP, the 1911, anachronistic Sigs and old-school Walthers seem to work well in that capacity. I've run my BHP in USPSA matches. I make my hits. I don't miss much. But I feel like the trigger is too heavy to be really competitive in speed shooting (that, and I don't practice enough). Yet, it hits precisely on paper and it cleanly excises 10-rings from targets. To me... that's more fun and satisfying. YMMV.
Maybe there's some folks out there that can carve out bullseyes AND fly through USPSA stages with a G19. I'm not one of them. And, from the looks of the paper silhouettes I see at my local ranges... not many are.
Agreed.
A modified BHP can be considered a fine "personal weapon" but it's relevance as a "service weapon" is purely nostalgia.
A "Service weapon" is something which can go into evidence or down a storm drain without a second thought if it needs to be used for it's actual purpose.
The biggest draw backs being cost and relatively low round count service life.
Last edited by HCM; 10-21-2021 at 11:58 AM.
I just hope that Springfield knocks this BHP reboot out of the park. I need a donor gun to send to Nighthawk and don't want to use anything Turk or one of my current guns.... I have high hopes.
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No soup for you! Three weeks!
To be fair, the originals didnt have that hot a reputation either.
BH Spring Solutions has been quietly providing improvements to the High Power, and they've recently very amicably absorbed RDIH/Leon Hubert. They provide upgraded components, actions, grips and springs. I've been assisting them in field testing and evaluating their offerings for awhile, and have detailed my thoughts, findings and evaluations here on p-f for some time. Most of their offerings are reasonably priced, of exceptional value, and are easy to install (or, if you don't like them, easily removed).
Here's mine, in its current duty guise:
BH SS action upgrades, BH SS springing throughout, BH SS dual spring recoil guide rod, BH SS/RDIH SFS action system, ambi magazine release, extended slide release, RDIH/VCD grips. I've qualified on it for duty, and it's on the short list to be a primary carry/duty/competition gun in 2022. The OEM black epoxy finish holds up well in use.
While a Glock/HK/etc. might be a better duty gun for the reasons HCM discusses, there's no real reason that an upgraded High Power isn't fit for duty. How well it would survive for months or longer in an evidence locker is another question, at least aesthetically...
Best, Jon
Nothing to do with rust. I can get 3 blue label Glocks with optics for the price of a Novak HP. Meaning I still have two while one is in evidence.BH Spring Solutions has been quietly providing improvements to the High Power, and they've recently very amicably absorbed RDIH/Leon Hubert. They provide upgraded components, actions, grips and springs. I've been assisting them in field testing and evaluating their offerings for awhile, and have detailed my thoughts, findings and evaluations here on p-f for some time. Most of their offerings are reasonably priced, of exceptional value, and are easy to install (or, if you don't like them, easily removed).
Here's mine, in its current duty guise:
BH SS action upgrades, BH SS springing throughout, BH SS dual spring recoil guide rod, BH SS/RDIH SFS action system, ambi magazine release, extended slide release, RDIH/VCD grips. I've qualified on it for duty, and it's on the short list to be a primary carry/duty/competition gun in 2022. The OEM black epoxy finish holds up well in use.
While a Glock/HK/etc. might be a better duty gun for the reasons HCM discusses, there's no real reason that an upgraded High Power isn't fit for duty. How well it would survive for months or longer in an evidence locker is another question, at least aesthetically...
Best, Jon
And they will survive a much higher round count which is the preparation for the few rounds you might fire "for realz."
Stock HP suck so that's not even a consideration.
We've had some pretty informed discussion relatively recently that indicates that the previously generally accepted High Power round count parameter limitaqtions (essentially 12K-15K for the barrels and 20K-30K for the frames/components as I recall) might be superceded by the cast frame MK III High Powers (essentially, post 1994 guns, as FN/Browning eventually during that timneframe standardized on the cast frame/upgraded components of the .40 guns to all the 9mm High Powers as well).
BH SS and RDHI/Leon Hubert have provided some significantly improved design, material and manufacturing improvements that have further reinforced the guns and extended their forecasted lifespan.
Pricing obviously favors Glock, and that's a valid and significant factor for many-both individuals and organizations. Maintenance costs and requirements clearly favor Glocks. Environmental resistance clearly favors Glocks.
Best, Jon
What doesn’t favor Glock is a lack of quality factory thumb safety or factory SCD like device. That’s a non issue for some, but for others it’s an important distinction.
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