Israel retiring the Tavor in favor of the M4

[LittleLebowski]

Maybe they got a good deal on M4s from the Taliban?

https://www.israelhayom.com/2021/09/...s-tavor-rifle/

For years, the Israeli Tavor rifle was marketed as the rifle of the future, and many of the IDF's infantry fighters proudly carried it, enthusiastic about its convenience and its futuristic look.

However, just 10 years after its integration into the Israeli army, the IDF will soon begin transitioning the infantry brigades that currently use the Tavor and micro-Tavor to the American M4, known as a "flat-top" rifle.

One of the IDF's infantry brigades is expected to receive the M4 rifle in the near future, followed by the others. The Israeli-made rifles will not be retired completely, rather will be transferred to the army's reserve brigades.

[blues]

Dropped once?

(Too soon?)

Don't mind me...I'm just a bit angry.

[Bergeron]

This continues the trend of countries adopting a bullpup, and then retiring it in favor a traditional rifle. Is there anyone who has a choice (Russia, China, etc. obviously excepted) who is using anything other than AR-pattern?

While I doubt that NGSW ever fully replaces M4/AR pattern, this does not bode well for the General Dynamics design.

[37th Mass]

Is there anyone who has a choice (Russia, China, etc. obviously excepted) who is using anything other than AR-pattern?

Singapore is using their indigenously designed SAR 21 in addition to AR’s.

[Kyle Reese]

The Brits are still clinging to the L85 family for general issue, but specialist units get Diemaco C8s.


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[HCM]

The Brits are still clinging to the L85 family for general issue, but specialist units get Diemaco C8s.


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Again - anyone with choice eschews bull pups.

[HCM]

Singapore is using their indigenously designed SAR 21 in addition to AR’s.

Singapore seeing a lot of combat ?

Bullpups tend to be one of those ideas that brief well but don’t work out in practice.

[TGS]

As for using a bullpup, I believe the Aussies still use a variant of the Steyr AUG.

China uses a bullpup....they had a choice and still do, as they're still producing conventional pattern rifles as well.

As for not using a variant of the AR, tons of countries, even with enemies of the west excepted.

[HCM]

As for using a bullpup, I believe the Aussies still use a variant of the Steyr AUG.

As for not using a variant of the AR, tons of countries.

The Aussies and the Austrians. But like the UK, their SF units which have a choice use M4s.

New Zealand dumped their AUGs for LMT ARs. The Irish use the AUG but again their SF use M4 pattern guns (HK416s).

Any other significant users of the AUG ?

Guatemala replaced their Galils with Tavors.

[blues]

I was issued a Steyr AUG from my outfit back in the old days. We used it on SRT but other than perimeter, out in the Everglades or while on a bust team patrolling in Black Hawks over the Atlantic, it had little relevance for most urban environments, imho.

It never really won my affection despite everyone thinking what a cool rifle it was back then. That said, I never had any serious issues with it either.