Smith & Wesson (re)enters the pump gun market

[Tokarev]

The biggest issue with box mag shotgun shells is rim lock. Because the shells have a rim you have to be very careful about how the magazine is designed to prevent that and either no one is interested or no one can figure out how to do it reliably.

Ironically a drum mag or I guess I should say something along the lines of a giant revolver cylinder might work but that's going to be a cumbersome magazine to carry and reload.

Never had a problem with this in my Saiga.

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[Zincwarrior]

I think we should mandate a PPsH in every household.

My Slavic ancestors agree wholeheartedly.

[Bergeron]

Where we at with mag-fed shotguns?

It has been a number of years ago but I messes around with a Saiga quite a bit. The gun had some strong points but the biggest failing was the magazine. To clarify I found that leaving a loaded mag in the gun would deform the top shell from pressure against the bottom of the bolt carrier. Once deformed the top shell would not feed. This meant constant rotation of the top round. Not a huge deal but not ideal either.

Do the mag-fed 870s and etc have the same issue?

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I've got a Saiga, and it's a beastly action competition shotgun- but I'd pass on it for anything defense oriented. Capacity is not what I really need in a defensive shotgun. My experience mirrors yours, leaving a mag loaded and in the gun deforms the top round. Plus, the mags are huge and bulky. I haven't seen rimlock, but I've never messed with drums, either.

A fun gun, a powerful competition tool, but to me, mine is not a defensive weapon.

[Joe in PNG]

Having babysat a Saiga 12, the larger cap mags just feel huge and unwieldy, a long heavy awkward thing hanging off the bottom.

[Wonder9]

14.5" LOP is garbage juice.

[Edster]

You secure that shit Hudson!

After a full day of passive-aggressive polite business gibberish, this forum is a refreshing breath of cigar smoke-filled air.

[GearFondler]

14.5" LOP is garbage juice.

Wow... And with no feasible way to shorten it I presume. That's garbage juice on fire.

[Coyotesfan97]

After a full day of passive-aggressive polite business gibberish, this forum is a refreshing breath of cigar smoke-filled air.

Hey Sarge you can get lip cancer smoking those?

Report to Bay 12. Grab some cornbread on the way.

[Joe in PNG]

An honest to goodness better choice. Let me introduce you to a personal friend of mine: Nerf Ltd Aliens M41-A Pulse Rifle

[MistWolf]

Meanwhile, a local gat store had some trade-in S&W 3000s with wood stocks for between $250-$300 depending on condition…

So, for $600 and a roll of gaffer’s tape, you could have a double-double that’s easier to reload and enough money left over to pay for a shotgun class.