...and it didn't go well. Video is definitely worth watching.
...and it didn't go well. Video is definitely worth watching.
From Older Offspring after a discussion of coffee:
"If it doesn't come from the Kaffa province of Ethiopia, it's just hot roasted-bean juice."
Twenty minutes? Cliff’s notes?
#RESIST
Man works in TX and carries in an office that is technically no firearms permitted
Some coworkers are gun people and shooting/gun talk occurs often
Under impression that company policy about CCW is "dont ask don't tell" because he overheard a boss say that or something
Attends generic corporate "active shooter" powerpoint presentation one day
A coworker makes harmless remark to him "oh if there's a shooter, I'm definitely following you"
A short while later gets called into HR and told to lift shirt, roll up pant leg, etc. (probably some 3rd party overheard, and reported it to HR)
Desk gets searched and carry gun is found in work bag
Immediately escorted out and fired
Couldn't find a new job for a year
Wife mega pissed
Etc. Etc. Etc.
This could've been done in like 5 minutes max
Jumping through it, worked in a cool small company. Got acquired by a larger company with lots of HR and rules. In TX most didn't seem to give a hoot.Originally Posted by LittleLebowski
He shifted to off body carry buried deep in a non-descript container in his bag.
Thought he was slick.
Then some old time co-worker made a quip, "if a bad thing goes down, so and so will get us out alive".
Some pussy overheard that and ratted that wisecrack out to HR.
They searched his shit . . . worst year of his life.
That's as far as I got.
“Remember, being healthy is basically just dying as slowly as possible,” Ricky Gervais
It's a brutal scenario. BTDT. My choice was leetle gun, deep carry. ON BODY
For many years it's been a non-issue as I drafted the fookin' HR policy (we also kept multiple bottles of primo whiskey available and used them).
Now it's WFH.
My sympathies to those under the lash of big HR.
“Remember, being healthy is basically just dying as slowly as possible,” Ricky Gervais
So basically if you work in a no guns company, keep you mouth shut and don't have a massive youtube channel...
It sucks on a few levels here, but I'm not even going to bother with the tiny violin on this one.
Not that it would have helped him, but if anyone in HR asks me to essentially start disrobing I want that request in writing so when I say "no" I have something to work with for the inevitable lawsuit.*
*- that I wouldn't win because in some states, TX amongst them, your employer is essentially your owner. Still, the "lift shirt, roll up pant leg" has to be out of bounds.
So the moral of the story is:
Don't fucking talk about your interests at work; studiously avoid all conversations related to these and other topics that are expressly verboten in the employee handbook. Whether you're into guns, picking up transvestite hookers, or smoking crack - Don't fucking talk about it; joke about it; elude to it, or otherwise share any information with you coworkers about your proclivities that may be found morally objectionable.
Your topics of conversations can be: Work, Food, Weather, Family
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I might share with my colleagues that I am restoring a car and therefore bought a tool this weekend of something if asked what I did over the weekend. But usually I answer the, "How was your weekend?" question on Monday morning with a, "It was good. We relaxed and I grilled."
Obligatory repost from an old TPI thread:
Perhaps I am not being specific enough, but here is my point. If you need to work day/in, day out in a business, business casual, or similar type of 'uniform', then I have never seen a setup that will work over time.
I've seen lots of things that will work for a day, or a visit, or a meeting. Yes, you can conceal a SIG in Hickey Freeman, Keswani custom suits, and a host of others. I've done them myself, and it's possible. But when you're going to do it every day, for years at a time, you will eventually be made.
[Maybe I should clarify: Are we perhaps talking past each other due to different definitions of an NPE? I am using the term NPE to mean you CANNOT get made or it will dramatically affect your life, livelihood and/or family. So the 'occasional' bust is unacceptable in what I call an NPE. To clarify - a museum visit with a 'No guns' sign is NOT an NPE; if I get made, I get escorted out - no big deal.]
So for me, guess what - any 'tuckable' holster that has a clip that I can see - is simply useless. If I work with someone for 6 months, and every day they see my clip at 1 o'clock, eventually they will ask. Or wonder. And someone in the office will recognize it and say, I know exactly what that is. From there, refer again to my definition of an NPE.
Todd, I understand what you're saying. However, this sentence here really caught my notice:
When I'm somewhere that has a particularly high penalty for getting caught with a gun, I've opted for something smaller (like a P30 or G19/G26) in SmartCarry.
That is the crux of the matter. The smaller you go, the more concealable it is.
Now if I'm I'm 'visiting' somewhere that has a high penalty, I can dress around it and it doesn't matter; I can hide anything for a day.
But when I'm not visiting, but I actually LIVE there? Then the little tells add up over the months and eventually you get busted. As for me, when I go with a belly-band setup, there are slight adjustments I need to make when I sit/rise, and that's with a PM9. If I try that with my SIG, those adjustments get noticeably more pronounced. And all it takes is 1 day, getting up quickly from a lunch meeting, or talking on the phone next to someone who is sitting at a desk with their face right at waist level, or spilling a drink in a cafe and they see a print, - once again, reread my definition of an NPE.
When you WORK in an office environment, people notice all idiosyncracies over time. The way Bob always lines up his pencils, the way Tom's right shoe always comes undone, the way Mary's bra strap always gets exposed when she wears that shirt, etc., And they BS and gossip about all that crap,the world over. So if you're the guy who always wears a coat - you're a freak and you'll get busted. If you always adjust your pants when you get up, but aren't a fatass - people will notice. If you have a clip on your belt, people will notice. If you have a really fancy, nice custom handmade belts, people will notice.
Finally, two anecdotes - because as we know, the plural of anecdote is data
One is from HH, I read it awhile back so I may be misquoting it. HH, please correct and clarify if I am mistaken. He was in a dress environment and the lady he was talking to suddenly asked him if he'd lost a lot of weight in the past. If I remember correctly, he was wearing pants that were custom made to allow him to CCW, and she noticed that the pants were cut slightly larger in the waist than elsewhere.
As for me, I worked in a major consulting firm. I made friends with the secretaries, and was listening to one of their conversations. They had determined which of the new hires had purchased custom suits, which ones were off-the-rack (but high-end) suits, and which ones were just very nice suits. And they were right.
People are generally clueless and unaware - until they're not.
Source: https://www.totalprotectioninteracti...838#post271838
A wonderful thread overall, really. A shame TPI is extra slow these days in just navigating the site, makes digging up old information there a real pain, and certainly doesn't help to generate any traffic, sadly.
Obviously, if the guy got busted with a bag gun, some of the post is moot, but the point that people notice little things still remains, so even if you never talk about guns, just your demeanor, mode of dress, accessory choice, etc. can be tells.
That's rough, as someone who very easily could have become that guy.
Many years ago, I was known as the gun guy at work (just sort of happened). I was an instructor, had done carry classes for upper management, sales guys, ladies in accounting. I carried every day in a Smart Carry. Guess what mode of concealment was never mentioned in class?
The things people confide in you, thinking they are being cool. Policy was no guns at work, period. Figured even if I did get burned by the wrong person, it would get shut down by management. I eventually made my exit.
Taking a break from social media.
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