I shot this in the morning from concealment-a vest over a JMCK IWB holster, reload mag in a Safariland paddle pouch. G45 MOS with ACRO mounted, shooting 124 ball ammo.
1.61, 2.17, 5.56 and a 2.71. Just out of the circle with 4, but still in the box(I just used a pencil over a target). I’m going to add 3 points for the overtime, for a score of 93. Of minor interest the down one hits were up close; I’m just hammering the trigger.
I will do a little dry fire with the Level 3 rig, and see how that goes. Nice little veal.
One comment on the leather rig: the mag pouches look open, which would fit for that point in time and place.
Looked again- pouches have flaps(I think). There were double open pouches, though, “back in the day”.
So here’s the example.
@1Rangemaster if you can keep an open mind and suppress the ego’s desire to avoid criticism.
When it was tried with an ALS holster you said you shot it on index without seeing the sights.
When complexity was added with concealment…
Predictably now the time is a fail and still not seeing the sights. Because they were misses.
@Gun Nerd this is the point, if you can’t reliably do it in the simple format you can’t do it with added complexity.
If we had started with complexity, you couldn’t tell if the concealment stunk or the draw.
Here you have your answer cleanly and if can put aside the ego, it’s pretty clear.
There’s no point in trying different permutations until either the hand speed improves or the index does.
At that distance and speed you can and should be able to either get the gun to see the sights or have a developed index.
So the solution isn’t running it multiple times with different gear, it’s figuring out and working on where the core weakness is.
That’s why I demonstrate with snubbies and micro guns. It shows that index and speed matter for everything.
Adding complexity just adds complexity. This was with ALS/SLS about a year ago with iron sights at about the same distance and scoring zone.
Rifle to pistol transition was 1.5s with all retention hoods and tabs in place.
Basically if you can’t do a 0.9s open holster draw to sight picture on this distance target it will need work in order to hit the par time in any way shape or form with other layers added to make a 1.3 second draw and 0.20 split to make the time.
But what Bakersfield showed us is that improving those skills matter in the real world and the hit factor type scoring they felt translated well to actual combat per the article.
@JCN: minor point-I shot the first run with a GLS paddle holster- noted that in a later post.
If you’re making the point that I need to improve my draw speed…well, yes, I believe everyone can, and I’m working on it. Your point of not adding complexity to the eval is taken. You are obviously an excellent technical shooter, and I appreciate your remote coaching.
During my run this morning, I did see the dot on the 10 foot run(and subsequent ones)-and called the shots. Technically speaking, it’s not a “fail”; the Bakersfield description give a penalty for overtime shots. Minus one point for one tenth of a second over the par. My latest run reflects that. So, three-tenths for minus 3 points, plus 4 hits out of the circle=7 points, or a 93 for today. The first score reflects the designers original intent also.
BTW, your run with the snub where you have multiple failures to fire would be called “dead man gun(s)” or “runs”. Hopefully, you are not carrying that setup in the real world.
I’ll be running this with a Level 3 retention rig in the near future after I work on my presentation, index and sight acquisition.
The narrative is a little confusing. The quarter second equals one point is stated, then it’s one point for 1.6 seconds.
Whatever; I’m not going to be a competitor here. I’ll post using one tenth equals one point, down one out of the 7” circle, etc.
My objective is to shoot it clean in the time frame. It’s an elegant little exercise in my view.
I had an ER nurse in a class. I noticed she kept taking all head shots. Her response when asked why, "'I've seen too many people who have been shot in the chest putting up a fight in the ER." Point taken.
Thanks for clarifying. I’m still going to work on shooting it clean, within par.