Page 3 of 3 FirstFirst 123
Results 21 to 24 of 24

Thread: Let's talk about Gi vs. No-Gi

  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by 45dotACP View Post
    Is the general consensus that it is almost always best to attack from some form of top pin or rear mount as opposed to an attack from guard?

    Sent from my moto g(6) using Tapatalk

    "best" is subjective and contextual.

    Attacking from top or the back is going to be much higher percentage simply because 1) you have gravity generally on your side, and 2) you have more positional control over what the other guy is doing. These are superior positions because of that. Guard is at best 50/50 neutral (or, depending on who is doing what, it might be something like 52/48 on either side or similar) and as such means there is a greater chance of the other guy being able to stop what you are doing.

    But all of that is a general approach, and does not take into account the nuances of grappling. Someone can build a great guard game and be hugely successful with it - Roger Gracie, my professor, and Rudson Matteus come to immediate mind.

    And the mention of Marcelo Garcia is a great illustration of this contextual idea. He doe snot do a lot of work from guard, but there is a very specific reason for that. Take a look at his build sometime. For his size/weight class he has incredibly stubby legs. He will always have a problem using guard against someone his weight division or bigger, so he avoids it as much as possible. The attack that "made him" as someone to pay attention to in the BJJ world in the early 2000's was an armdrag to a backtake. He would hit that on everyone and was rarely forced to use guard. Contrast that with a Roger Gracie who with his longer than normal legs makes his guard work very practical.

    So don't think of it as either/or, but as something that may work for you or in a particular situation.
    For info about training or to contact me:
    Immediate Action Combatives

  2. #22
    Member Les Pepperoni's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2011
    Location
    SRQ - Florida
    Quote Originally Posted by 45dotACP View Post
    So who likes the Gi and who likes the No-gi?
    "Yes!"




    I usually just go to class - whatever class I can fit into my schedule...
    I find that I'm usually working on some concept or whatever... I try to just make that the singular focus in gi/no-gi, whatever...
    It's the concept that drives it, for me...

    I think Lemmy of Motörhead summed it up best when he said, "The pleasure is to play, makes no difference what you say..."

  3. #23
    I am a hardcore no gi guy, but I just wanted to stick my opinion in about the Judo that others mentioned in passing.

    Everyone interested in grappling in a "street" context will benefit from learning some basic Judo...and this requires either cross training at a Judo school or being fortunate enough to train with BJJ coaches who have a judo background...either way you will end up training in a gi.

    I will even suggest that basic judo throws are equally or more important than gi chokes.

    Also I recognise I opened a giant can of worms as what is a Judo vs BJJ technique....but I think we generally understand what each means in a contemporary context without delving into what Helio learned from who.

  4. #24
    Site Supporter
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Location
    Illinois
    Quote Originally Posted by smells like feet View Post
    I am a hardcore no gi guy, but I just wanted to stick my opinion in about the Judo that others mentioned in passing.

    Everyone interested in grappling in a "street" context will benefit from learning some basic Judo...and this requires either cross training at a Judo school or being fortunate enough to train with BJJ coaches who have a judo background...either way you will end up training in a gi.

    I will even suggest that basic judo throws are equally or more important than gi chokes.

    Also I recognise I opened a giant can of worms as what is a Judo vs BJJ technique....but I think we generally understand what each means in a contemporary context without delving into what Helio learned from who.
    It doesn't seem like a huge can of worms to me. Judo techniques are friggin awesome! Slamming someone on the pavement with an Uchi Mata or Harai Goshi is a sure way to end a fight.

    But then I kinda feel the same way about some Greco Roman wrestling moves... especially those really high amplitude suplex throws. Big oof.

    I've become a huge fan of the shoulder throw (seoi nage) and the firemen's carry (kata guruma) as well and those are seen in Wrestling, Judo, BJJ and Sambo. Seems like many effective martial arts are similar in appearance.

    Sent from my moto g(6) using Tapatalk

User Tag List

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •