COVID-19 vaccines: medical concerns and recommendations

[VT1032]

Vermont, that has the highest vaccination rate, is not overrun with COVID patients.

To be fair, we were never overrun with COVID patients, even pre-vaccine. Since the beginning, we've only had a single day with a case count of over 300, and that occurred last week. Our numbers this summer were pretty well in line with what they were last summer when we had no vaccines. I really think in our case, it's more our small and relatively spread out population, and widespread compliance with public health recommendations, in addition to very high rates of vaccination. I'm certainly not a vaccine skeptic, and I think widespread vaccination definitely played a positive role, but we were doing relatively well even before the vaccines rolled out and our numbers are going right back up, just like everywhere else. They just don't look all that dire because our numbers have never looked bad by comparison to other states.

I definitely think the vaccines work, especially against older variants. I was on orders with the VTARNG from November through June doing contact tracing with the state health department and you could see the impact of vaccination in the caseload as they were rolled out by age group. Cases among seniors started dropping like a rock and much of the caseload shifted to younger people, particularly high school and college students. I talked to a 95 y/o man who had severe respiratory issues pre-covid and was a breakthrough case, but he basically had the sniffles. Without vaccination, I'm sure he'd have been dead. I think that the current rise in cases even here where almost 70% of the population is fully vaccinated speaks to the fact that Delta is the real deal compared to older variants.

[Caballoflaco]

As far as I know, it's the same test for both viruses, which means that most people will never know for sure what virus they got. The lab down the hall from me is sequencing virus. I can't remember how many per week--maybe a hundred. I've seen some of their data, and I talk with that colleague pretty frequently. Delta is definitely real.We had a local variant pop up, which I was afraid was going to be a super delta. Fortunately it wasn't.

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Much obliged for y’all not starting some sort of a mutant Mississippi variant over there that does something like bonds and reproduces extra good in cholesterol cells or can actually live and reproduce on nothing but a substrate of fried food.

Sincerely,

Your neighbor in the state to the East.

[fly out]

Much obliged for y’all not starting some sort of a mutant Mississippi variant over there that does something like bonds and reproduces extra good in cholesterol cells or can actually live and reproduce on nothing but a substrate or fried food.

Sincerely,

Your neighbor in the state to the East.

I saw a spirograph graphic a few weeks ago that claimed that a variant is created every ten hours and they've mapped a few hundred.

[Caballoflaco]

I saw a spirograph graphic a few weeks ago that claimed that a variant is created every ten hours and they've mapped a few hundred.

Yeah. The CDC actually has a pretty good rundown of some of the major variants here.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...iant-info.html

[Hambo]

A 4th dose so close to a booster that is reported to be very effective seems unnecessary, bordering on overdose.

Not a Dr. Only my unqualified intuition.

I don't know if it's an OD, but it's definitely a test with one subject. Any reference I made to @Ed L being able to get a 4th shot with his new vax card would be months down the road, if that's even considered necessary.

[0ddl0t]

I saw a spirograph graphic a few weeks ago that claimed that a variant is created every ten hours and they've mapped a few hundred.

The virus mutates every 2-3 transmissions, but 99.99+ % of the mutations are inconsequential. Michael Lewis' book The Premonition briefly talks about how public health officials used genomic sequencing to trace the roots of an outbreak in Humboldt County (one drug dealer spread it to a bunch of seemingly random people throughout the community, including staff at a nursing home).


More recently an unmasked, unvaccinated teacher infected a bunch of kids in her class (who then went on to infect kids in other classes and at sleepovers). Marin County ran sequencing which the CDC used to publish this tree:


14 people had the exact same virus, 9 had various single mutations.

[Ed L]

I don't know if it's an OD, but it's definitely a test with one subject. Any reference I made to @Ed L being able to get a 4th shot with his new vax card would be months down the road, if that's even considered necessary.

Thanks, I realized that when you meant when you wrote that. I was just speculating about what a 4th dose might help heighten my immunity if taken three weeks later as a follow up to my third shot. I don't want to wind up in a hospital bed with "Covid vaccine test with one subject" written on the top of my medical chart, even though the medical staff might pay more attention to me for research purposes. I would certainly like to help efforts against Covid, but I am not quite ready to donate my body to science at this point.

Post 3rd vaccination report: For whatever reason I started to feel worse late last night about 75 hours post vaccine with a headache and body aches--not nearly as bad as the day before. I woke up feeling a bit blah on Saturday, then felt better. I would still rate it much easier than my second shot.

[Baldanders]

Clearly.

Well the novel Coronavirus may be the our current focus, but it sounds like you have some valuable information on some more...exotic threats.

We probably need a new thread for our really "intrepid" members to share information so the rest of can protect our members.

[4RNR]

Is anyone doing a side effects topic?

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[Totem Polar]

Is anyone doing a side effects topic?

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Somewhere on this forum there is a thread line on tinnitus and the vaccines. Thankfully, my own tinnitus is no more shitty than it’s been for decades, after 2 doses. I’m optimistic.